400mg Primo and no Test

[Hungry4Life]

My friend wants to do this next:

400mg Primo per week for 12 weeks
No Test

His question is would this shut him down?
What kind of results could be expected? (assuming diet and training are on point)
He does not want to gain more body weight right now.

He would appreciate if you guys let him know what you think or any other cycles that can be run without test. (No orals)

 

[tap]

My friend wants to do this next:

400mg Primo per week for 12 weeks
No Test

His question is would this shut him down?
What kind of results could be expected? (assuming diet and training are on point)
He does not want to gain more body weight right now.

He would appreciate if you guys let him know what you think or any other cycles that can be run without test. (No orals)

If hairloss is not an issue, winny stacks well with it for lean gains and helps a little with sex drive.And yes it will shut you down. Tap

 

[saguakid]

My friend wants to do this next:

400mg Primo per week for 12 weeks
No Test

His question is would this shut him down?
What kind of results could be expected? (assuming diet and training are on point)
He does not want to gain more body weight right now.

He would appreciate if you guys let him know what you think or any other cycles that can be run without test. (No orals)

Add some proviron and he will be fine.

 

[mrsoul]

If hairloss is not an issue, winny stacks well with it for lean gains and helps a little with sex drive.And yes it will shut you down. Tap

winny helps with sex drive? if by help you mean completely shut down then yes it does help. very irresponsible advice young man.

 

[dancinfool]

How big is your buddy? 400mg of Primo isn't much to expect any kind of results worth the money one has to spend for it.

 

[AlphaMale]

winny helps with sex drive? if by help you mean completely shut down then yes it does help. very irresponsible advice young man.

He'd be completely shutdown by the Primo anyway.

He said Winny would help alittle, and there is speculation that SHBG might play a role in libido, so it may help and shouldn't hurt anymore than with the Primo anyway.

Winny makes a great addition to Primo as far as gains/effects/etc. But I personally would add at least a high-maintenance dose of Test of 200mg+ to maintain testosterone levels, I'd add more myself but to each their own I suppose.

I guy I knew made fantastic gains off 10wks of 350mg Primo and 175mg Winstrol - he was starting from a newbie status but made absolutely phenominal changes to his physique. But then again, he worked his ass off and was starting from a absolute beginner state but ended up looking better than 95% of the population, including the gym's. He did have some issues when he came off though with depression and NO sex drive for a couple of months and I have no idea what or if he did pct. Those doses wouldn't do anything for my though and I couldn't afford two of the most expensive aas anyway, lol.

 

[KingGuss]

He needs some test, shit dont we all?

 

[Ashop]

He needs some test, shit dont we all?

Seriously,,,,thats just about the truth of it.

 

[thebrick]

always base with some test

 

[mrsoul]

always base with some test

rule #1

 

[oldfella]

HOW ABOUT......

My friend wants to do this next:

400mg Primo per week for 12 weeks
No Test

His question is would this shut him down?
What kind of results could be expected? (assuming diet and training are on point)
He does not want to gain more body weight right now.

He would appreciate if you guys let him know what you think or any other cycles that can be run without test. (No orals)

He does not use anything and just diets and trains. So he lifts and eats but has no desire to gain lean mass? But yet he wants to use AAS? This is ridiculous! All he is going to accomplish is screw up his endocrine system and for NO GAINS???? Sorry but that is stupid!

 

[LiftHard410]

My friend wants to do this next:

400mg Primo per week for 12 weeks
No Test

His question is would this shut him down?
What kind of results could be expected? (assuming diet and training are on point)
He does not want to gain more body weight right now.

He would appreciate if you guys let him know what you think or any other cycles that can be run without test. (No orals)

so he is happy with his size and wants to cut? if that's the case he will do very well if that, providing diet etc is on point,

if he has problems with libido he can add a small dose of test or proviron, the primo/winny recommendation is great for hardening up and sparing muscle, but watch those joints/ligaments with winny and no estrogen

 

[Pip]

always base with some test

Not always. What about the ppl who cant use androgens?
I dont use androgens at all and i do very well of low dose anabolics.

As to the the 400mg primo a week i have utilised this dosage to good effect. Nice solid but small gains.

Will it shut you down, yes but no where near as other compounds. Its pretty easy to get you HPTA back up with a half decent PCT.

 

[Hungry4Life]

My friend appreciates the responses guys. To be clear, he does want to harden up and gain lean mass but at a slow even rate, not the dramatic increase in mass you would get from say test and eq.
He understands the general standard rule is to have a test base.

Oldfella he has done mild to moderate cycles before with test, but the basic question he was asking is can you run a high anabolic cycle and replace the test base with something such as proviron to avoid shut down?
(He does not want to use winni due to the negative effects on the lipid profile)

He was just wondering if anyone has any type of experiences with these types of cycles rather than the usual cycles of having a test base of 200 - 500mg.

As seen from the posts above, there often seems to be many different opinions about these types of cycles.

 

[6.8SPC]

My friend appreciates the responses guys. To be clear, he does want to harden up and gain lean mass but at a slow even rate, not the dramatic increase in mass you would get from say test and eq.
He understands the general standard rule is to have a test base.

Oldfella he has done mild to moderate cycles before with test, but the basic question he was asking is can you run a high anabolic cycle and replace the test base with something such as proviron to avoid shut down?
(He does not want to use winni due to the negative effects on the lipid profile)

He was just wondering if anyone has any type of experiences with these types of cycles rather than the usual cycles of having a test base of 200 - 500mg.

As seen from the posts above, there often seems to be many different opinions about these types of cycles.

Have you read this thread? Check it out if you haven't already

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14831

 

[oldfella]

My friend appreciates the responses guys. To be clear, he does want to harden up and gain lean mass but at a slow even rate, not the dramatic increase in mass you would get from say test and eq.
He understands the general standard rule is to have a test base.

Oldfella he has done mild to moderate cycles before with test, but the basic question he was asking is can you run a high anabolic cycle and replace the test base with something such as proviron to avoid shut down?
(He does not want to use winni due to the negative effects on the lipid profile)

He was just wondering if anyone has any type of experiences with these types of cycles rather than the usual cycles of having a test base of 200 - 500mg.

As seen from the posts above, there often seems to be many different opinions about these types of cycles.

The use of proviron will not inhibit shut down of natural production. Just about all aas are androgen oriented, some more than others. He is going to get shut down anyway. Using a small amout of test will still provide good support to his cycle. In fact test in itself will help to reduce bf levels with proper diet and training. It has beeen shown that test will help burn significant amounts of fat when all other aspects are on point.