Adapting to Gear..

[RONJON]

What do those do that start too early with AAS or do too much to soon..in other words If someone does a test cycle at 750 or 1g per week would it still be beneficial to do mild cycles??..maybe if they take a long period off? I know Big A has posted on how once you get the most out of AAS..then go to GH..when you get the most out of GH..go to Slin. Well are you already F'ed if you started to high dose too early in gear usage?

RONJON

 

[buselmo]

let's say your gas tank carries 30 liters of gasoline... if you try to fill it up with 50 liters, you'll have 20 liters spilled all over the floor and you had to pay for it when it served no purpose... when you buy a new car with a 60 liter tank, it will still have room for more fuel even if you fill it up with 50 liters...

your gas tank is your muscle size... fuel is AAS... if someone starts off at 1000 mg, he will gain, probably more than someone starting at 500 mg... but his SHBG will be higher, which will basically hault his gains a lot sooner than if he raised the dose gradually. if he gets off for a while, allows SHBG to go down to normal, then he starts at 1000 mg again... he'll have more mass to start with, which will benefit from the higher dose, and his SHBG won't sabotage his gains as much for a while... and so on and so forth...
if he stayed at 1000 mg and never got off... yes, he'll have to increase dosages to counteract the SHBG... but where will it end? what could've been done at 1500 mg would take 3000 mg to achieve (just using numbers as examples and not a real live case)...

I probably wasn't very clear with this example... but you get my point, right?

if someone gets off long enough, he can go back to normal and gain on lower doses IF HE WAS USING MUCH MORE THAN HE NEEDED TO FROM THE BEGINING.

ofcourse, i don't have any proof of this

 

[Athlete]

ofcourse, i don't have any proof of this

But it does make a lot of sense.
Anything that works, and promotes a healthy way of using AAS is a good thing IMO. even if all the science isn't 100% correct.

 

[RONJON]

okay so basically if you go off long enough you can come back on at a lower moderate dose and still get the good results you would have previously got..just have to give enough time for levels to drop back to normal..that right???

 

[Pekkerwood]

RonJon:

Many, many, of our vets, older guys like myself, have made gains on lower dosages after taking higher dosages in our younger years. More than a few vets here are still making gains in late forties and fifties at dosages of around 250mg per week etc. You might not "feel" the same because you will not be retaining 15lbs of water, so you may not feel as "pumped" but then again, your blood pressure may not exceed your weight on lowered dosages as well.

 

[irish_sd]

RonJon:

Many, many, of our vets, older guys like myself, have made gains on lower dosages after taking higher dosages in our younger years. More than a few vets here are still making gains in late forties and fifties at dosages of around 250mg per week etc. You might not "feel" the same because you will not be retaining 15lbs of water, so you may not feel as "pumped" but then again, your blood pressure may not exceed your weight on lowered dosages as well.

I like this. I am at the point of surrender. I am getting older and have 3 girls to think about living a long live for.

 

[Thor]

YES BUT....

okay so basically if you go off long enough you can come back on at a lower moderate dose and still get the good results you would have previously got..just have to give enough time for levels to drop back to normal..that right???

I am wondering how long one needs to be " off" of gear for your body to reset, so that you can start again at a lower dose. Six months? one year ? more? Anyone actually know from experience?

 

[tkav1980]

i would think that once you body reaches homeostasis without any added gear that would mean SBGH is back down to a normal level. lets say you ran pct for 6 weeks were off that for 2 more, and everything was back to where it should be. i would assume you can either reuse the same doseage and get good gains or even a lower doseage and still gain quite well.
i dont know if this is correct but a homan body wants balance. as dose increases so does SBGH. therefore i would assume when you stop administration of exogeneious test you would have an abundance of SBGH. i would then think your body would would combat this imbalance by reducing SBGH. but thats just me thinking out loud i have no idea if im correct.

 

[Physick]

I am wondering how long one needs to be " off" of gear for your body to reset, so that you can start again at a lower dose. Six months? one year ? more? Anyone actually know from experience?

I think that's very much based on the individual. Also, how long and how much gear was used would be a factor in that as well. For your average bodybuilder who's been on for say 2 years. I think you are looking at, like you said, anywhere from six months to one year before things are totally back to normal. Then again, for some people things may never return to normal or you may require more extreme measures and professional help from an endo. Or you could be one of the lucky few that comes off and 4 months later your body is 100%, who knows.

 

[Papa Van Smack]

Question.....someone please answer because I've been wondering.

It's been about 20 months since I've used any gear at all. I'd gone above 1g test several times. Heaviest cycle ever was approx 1g test/600 deca/60mgdbol/ 75 tren eod

Looking back i feel strongly that I used WAY more than i needed to, and my most recent cycles(nearly 2 years ago) were more conservative.

I was hoping I could see great gains off of 500mg test/400mg deca and some dbol. I weigh about 290. Any reason to believe that these dosages would be too conservative? I figured my very extended time off may have "reset" my system and allow me to be consrvative again. let me know what you think

 

[Thor]

THANK YOU

I think that's very much based on the individual. Also, how long and how much gear was used would be a factor in that as well. For your average bodybuilder who's been on for say 2 years. I think you are looking at, like you said, anywhere from six months to one year before things are totally back to normal. Then again, for some people things may never return to normal or you may require more extreme measures and professional help from an endo. Or you could be one of the lucky few that comes off and 4 months later your body is 100%, who knows.

this makes sense. I guess it will just be a trial and error kinda thing.

 

[RONJON]

thanks for the responses guys