ADD meds (help please)

[lntense]

I also take low dose (25mg) vistaril for anxiety and sleep assistance, I'm pondering if it would help while taking a mild stim?

Not sure, since it's an anti histamine, it would certainly help you fall asleep once your stimulant is wearing off though. As long as doses were low I wouldn't see it as being contraindicative.

I do have good experience taking a low dose of klonopin with adderall. Very synergistic. But then you're getting into the benzo spectrum.. and again keeping tolerance low with benzos is another whole issue.

 

[Vision]

Not sure, since it's an anti histamine, it would certainly help you fall asleep once your stimulant is wearing off though. As long as doses were low I wouldn't see it as being contraindicative.

I do have good experience taking a low dose of klonopin with adderall. Very synergistic. But then you're getting into the benzo spectrum.. and again keeping tolerance low with benzos is another whole issue.

I think you nailed it, synergistic effect! It's kinda the same protocol but different, similar on ways..
I definitely want to stay away from he benzos that's why I asked for a script for vistaril, it takes off that edge, a calming effect type feeling.. from what I gather neither will effect the others pathway or course of action...
Great advice and personal feed back with real experience..

 

[lntense]

I think you nailed it, synergistic effect! It's kinda the same protocol but different, similar on ways..
I definitely want to stay away from he benzos that's why I asked for a script for vistaril, it takes off that edge, a calming effect type feeling.. from what I gather neither will effect the others pathway or course of action...
Great advice and personal feed back with real experience..

Keep us posted on what your Doc says.

 

[Vision]

Well, it went better than expected..

The Dr called a specialist that's a good buddy of his, he read off my prior medications and chart and what not..

Here's what they both came up with..

Vyvanse 30mgs (ED early AM, like super early so it doesn't effect sleep later,6am'ish)

Buspar 15mgs x 2 ED AM/PM

Effexor 150mgs PM before bed

Lunesta 3mgs ED before bed

Vistaril 25mgs when needed (in place of benzo's, I refuse to touch benzos)

I'm also gonna looking into BCB's sup suggestions..

I've used everything here with great success in the past aside from the Vyvanse.. 30mgs seems to be a good dose, on the higher end, but both of these guys seem very confident in their decision, I trust them..

Thank you brothers for all the suggestions, I'll chime in with feedback on my experience using this.. All of the personal feedback helps alot with this whole process.. :headbang:

You can onlt do so much research over the years, until it comes time to ask for suggestions and feedback, thats just what I did here..And I'm glad that I did, great effort and assistance but the community here..

 

[Thebigone]

Well, it went better than expected..

The Dr called a specialist that's a good buddy of his, he read off my prior medications and chart and what not..

Here's what they both came up with..

Vyvanse 30mgs (ED early AM, like super early so it doesn't effect sleep later,6am'ish)

Buspar 15mgs x 2 ED AM/PM

Effexor 150mgs PM before bed

Lunesta 3mgs ED before bed

Vistaril 25mgs when needed (in place of benzo's, I refuse to touch benzos)

I'm also gonna looking into BCB's sup suggestions..

I've used everything here with great success in the past aside from the Vyvanse.. 30mgs seems to be a good dose, on the higher end, but both of these guys seem very confident in their decision, I trust them..

Thank you brothers for all the suggestions, I'll chime in with feedback on my experience using this.. All of the personal feedback helps alot with this whole process.. :headbang:

You can onlt do so much research over the years, until it comes time to ask for suggestions and feedback, thats just what I did here..And I'm glad that I did, great effort and assistance but the community here..

That's actually a very low dose of Vyvanse. Only 40% of it is actually active ingredient. Meaning 30mg is 12mg dextroamphetamine. Since it's new to you you'll have a good high and alertness but it quickly fades. Just don't get caught up in the trap of increasing amphetamines it's a brutal roller coaster.

 

[brownbanana]

Good to hear man. If you can stay on a lower dose, ride that as long as you can. It works best for me at a low dose. Too much and it becomes a whole different beast.

 

[carlsjr]

Fucking drug cocktail!

 

[lntense]

Any idea what the cause of your anxiety might be?

 

[northface384]

I'm sober as well my brother and that is why I do not want to use the stimulant, also with other underlying issues but that is definitely one of the main factors.. I'm going to do some research on your suggestion, I may not rule out stimulants entirely but if I can find one that is on the mild side I will definitely take it into great consideration but I don't want something that's over the top Gonzo Bonzo...

Just to add my own experience, I can relate to all of this. I'm a recovery addict too and been sober for 13 years. Meth and alcohol was my drug of choice. I was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD in 3rd grade but never took meds. When I first really started getting in trouble bc of my using, I was put on several different meds for depression and ADD but never stimulants bc I'm an addict. I was on Effexor for maybe 10 years. On all doses until they keep me on 150mg or 300mg a day. It's been many years since I came off it so I'm sorry I don't remember my dose. For me, Effexor did nothing for my focus and concentration. And even taking the extended release, every morning I woke up feeling the withdrawals from the meds. I quit taking it around 7 or 8 years sober. After that I have tried just about everything supplement over the counter you can buy. A lot which I still regularly take for over brain health like Bacopa, l-theanine paired with caffeine, Alcar, CDP-Choline. 2 years ago I went back to school and after my first 2 quarters in school and lots of thinking and praying I went to a Dr and they prescribed me Vyvanse. I was very scared to take ADD meds bc meth was my drug of choice. I also made sure I told my Dr I am an addict. Vyvanse is suppose to be a drug that is not as likely to be abused, but I'm not gonna lie the first 3 days on Vyvanse I did feel kind like I was on meth. Not totally tweeked out, but a feeling I remembered to well. And it was uncomfortable. Since then I don't feel tweeked out anymore while taking it. I take 50mg a day. If I was newly sober, I don't think it would have been smart for me to take this medication. With my insurance i think it cost maybe $30. Before starting Vyvanse I made sure I had the people in my life knew what I was taking and I had people to keep me accountable. I was super scared to take any stimulant ADD meds bc I know what they are, but after exhausting all other options it what I had to do to be successful in school and even other parts of my life have benefited. But one thing will never change and that is I'm an addict and the meds I take can be a slippery slope. Good luck bro. I hope maybe some of this helped. Feel free to PM me any questions you may have about anything.

 

[KillerStack]

Isn't being a speed addict actually one of the signs of ADHD? They are self medicating their condition. From what I've read getting stimulant meds cuts down the impulse to abuse street drugs (duh!).
One girl had used meth for 8 years straight, "it made everything right and calmed me down". Was put on Ritalin and hadn't touched illicit drugs in several years last I heard. So are stimulants really contraindicated for people who have abused them in the past? Maybe the psychs make different calls on a case to case basis.

One curious thing about a guy at my gym. He'd been on 70mg Vyvanse for several years. Suddenly he decides he doesn't like being dependant on drugs and drops the script. He was fat as fuck as an untrained 320lb lardass on the Vyvanse but manages to drop 70lbs (so far) of fat in a few months off it. Said the amps didn't reduce his appetite at all, quite the opposite.

 

[brownbanana]

^ interesting thought. Before I was prescribed meds, i would drink alot of energy drinks. I would drink around 4 Rock stars before I could start a paper. I would pace around, over and over, as I looked at my laptop like it was a German Enigma machine. Finally after quite a bit of time and alot caffeine, i would feel okay to start. With the meds, I skipped that whole process and figure out how to organize it as I go. I still have a hard time believing the meds calm me or anybody else who has add or adhd. That being said, it doesn't speed me up like illicit stimulants (never did meth but others). It does something else. Helps with short term memory and working memory.

As for the guy at the gym, maybe he just needed a drug holiday.

 

[Bull_Nuts]

Once upon a time I got a little hung up on crystal...been clean and sober 6 years this October
..prescribed Adderall 30mg 2x day...no desire to touch any drugs what so ever. Super productive in school(working on my Master's for Addiction Counseling) and at work(Drug and Alcohol Addictions Counselor).

IT'S not for everyone though...speak to your MD about your options.

BN

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[lntense]

One curious thing about a guy at my gym. He'd been on 70mg Vyvanse for several years. Suddenly he decides he doesn't like being dependant on drugs and drops the script. He was fat as fuck as an untrained 320lb lardass on the Vyvanse but manages to drop 70lbs (so far) of fat in a few months off it. Said the amps didn't reduce his appetite at all, quite the opposite.

It definitely lowers my appetite. Or I more so just don't think about food or eating. That's why prepping is so important for me. I more or less go by the "eat when hungry" philosophy, but the downside is I never get hungry on it until it wears off. My stomach literally has to be roaring at me to realize HEY you need to eat.

One positive is it makes it much easier to eat clean foods. I just see getting my meals in as a task that is required.

Once upon a time I got a little hung up on crystal...been clean and sober 6 years this October
..prescribed Adderall 30mg 2x day...no desire to touch any drugs what so ever. Super productive in school(working on my Master's for Addiction Counseling) and at work(Drug and Alcohol Addictions Counselor).

IT'S not for everyone though...speak to your MD about your options.

BN

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I wish I would have been prescribed it in college.. Getting my bachelors would have been a cake walk. Did it the old fashioned way, tons of coffee lol.

 

[Vision]

I just wanted to give a follow up..

I havent took the stims yet, there is an issue with insurance at this moment..

but, I have been on the buspar and effexor for a few weeks, and in fact things are very clear, im pondering if I should even press the insurance to fill the script, or just stay the course now? I feel great, why fix something thats work?!?!

Hmmm..

I been using the medication suggestions, not as often as I wish, but mostly at night before bed, and wow, it does set you back and assist.. I been working on controled breathing and that makes a world of a differ..

when I have 10 things going at once,phones ringing, people coming and going, I just step back and take a breath haha

 

[Thebigone]

I just wanted to give a follow up..

I havent took the stims yet, there is an issue with insurance at this moment..

but, I have been on the buspar and effexor for a few weeks, and in fact things are very clear, im pondering if I should even press the insurance to fill the script, or just stay the course now? I feel great, why fix something thats work?!?!

Hmmm..

I been using the medication suggestions, not as often as I wish, but mostly at night before bed, and wow, it does set you back and assist.. I been working on controled breathing and that makes a world of a differ..

when I have 10 things going at once,phones ringing, people coming and going, I just step back and take a breath haha

I wouldn't use them because once you do you're not going to want to ever go another day without using them.

 

[Vision]

I just spoke with the insurance company, they denied me!

wtf?

all the other meds are good, but this one med was denied..

 

[Vision]

Welp, I just picked up a new script for a substitute compound.. I was approved for Strattara (spelling)..

Anyone use this stuff? I just dropped it off and it will be ready in the AM..

 

[Thebigone]

Welp, I just picked up a new script for a substitute compound.. I was approved for Strattara (spelling)..

Anyone use this stuff? I just dropped it off and it will be ready in the AM..

Strattera is a snri so it basically lets you produce more norepinephrine. Vyvanse is an amphetamine that increases norepinephrine but mainly dopamine.

https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/strattera-vs-vyvanse

 

[KillerStack]

Something that came up on my FB feed a while back
made me think how much of drug treatment is based
on sociological and political factors, not pharmacology
or even what doctors treating patients would like to do as far as drug choise. I know there's meth in the US market for adhd treatment but it's rarely prescribed - brand name Desoxyn. At the same time in the US it seems getting Adderall scripts is perhaps "too easy" as everyone on forums like these seems to know a bunch of people on it, I don't know. Here in Europe prescribed amphetamines seem much more rare.

So anyway, this researcher thinks meth has less sides than Adderall and is more effective:

Halpern prescribes the medi-meth for patients who get recurrent urinary-tract infections—a side effect from Adderall or Ritalin. “Meth is much more efficient at going to the brain. It’s an effective treatment with a lower amount. That’s been my clinical experience.”

Hart also notes that prescriptions for methamphetamine have gone down, and that doctors “have cut back on the prescriptions because of the hysteria. So they turn to Adderall.”
Adderall is an inferior drug, asserts Hart, because of its side effects. Yet Adderall, he says, is the medication of choice because of good marketing—not because it’s safer. “It’s all marketing,” says Hart. “The view of the drug is sociological. Not pharmacological.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-we-need-medical-meth-cocaine

 

[jcc80]

The poison is in the dose. Desoxyn comes in 5 mg tabs, I think... Whereas a tweaker is going to be using 100+mg of meth at a time.

I was curious about that one when I was using prescribed stims. I just don't want to go down that road again. The occasional stim will get me super productive, but I hated being on them every day. Quite the rollercoaster.

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