Adding Tren Enan to Existing Test E and Deca Cycle

[Cosmicdrifter]

I am currently running 500mg of Test Enan and 300mg of Deca per week. I have some Tren Enan I would like to add. I have water and gyno protection (12.5mg of Aromasin EOD). I have the necessary PCT ingredients.

I am in week 5 of a 16 week cycle. In a recent thread, someone said that a combination of Deca and Tren would "shut you down hard." I thought shut down was shut down, whether you did 200mg of Test E or you were doing 2,000 mg of Test E.

So I'm asking for your opinions about the effects of adding 2 or 300mg of Tren Enan to the cycle for 6-8 weeks.

I would prefer to hear from those who know as opposed to "I heard somewhere," or "I think I read," type conjecture.

Of course, if you have done the same combo before, then you would have some good insight.

 

[oldfella]

I am currently running 500mg of Test Enan and 300mg of Deca per week. I have some Tren Enan I would like to add. I have water and gyno protection (12.5mg of Aromasin EOD). I have the necessary PCT ingredients.

I am in week 5 of a 16 week cycle. In a recent thread, someone said that a combination of Deca and Tren would "shut you down hard." I thought shut down was shut down, whether you did 200mg of Test E or you were doing 2,000 mg of Test E.
So I'm asking for your opinions about the effects of adding 2 or 300mg of Tren Enan to the cycle for 6-8 weeks.

I would prefer to hear from those who know as opposed to "I heard somewhere," or "I think I read," type conjecture.

Of course, if you have done the same combo before, then you would have some good insight.

First off. Shut down is shut down. Once this happens it does not get shut down any harder. Now fact is you were shut down two weeks ago!! So don't kid yourself. Running deca and tren is not such a good idea due to them both being similar in androgenic properties. This means you run a higher risk of prolactin buildup and weeping nipples (MILK). Better get some cabergoline for the tren sides if you do this. I believe bromocriptine will help also.

 

[Cosmicdrifter]

First off. Shut down is shut down. Once this happens it does not get shut down any harder. Now fact is you were shut down two weeks ago!! So don't kid yourself. Running deca and tren is not such a good idea due to them both being similar in androgenic properties. This means you run a higher risk of prolactin buildup and weeping nipples (MILK). Better get some cabergoline for the tren sides if you do this. I believe bromocriptine will help also.

Thanks for the focused advice. I have some liquid cabergoline on the way. Do you think I should drop the Deca and just go with the Tren Enan?

 

[Quad-smack]

They are somewhat different in effect for being similar chemically.
For joint pain relief and mass accrual - Deca.
For hardness and dry/lean gains - Tren.

 

[triathloncoach]

Deca and Tren - Bump Please

I'm considering adding Tren to my Deca 200mg/Test E 300mg. I take the Deca for joint pain relief only. I'm shut down. More shut down I cannot be. But I am taking Prami and Anast.

Subtituting, (instead of adding) Tren for Dec will remove the joint benefits of Deca. (Right??)

So why not run low dose Dec with Tren and keep the Prami flowing?

But Cosmic - you are not currently running any anti-prolactin?

I certainly don't claim the knowledge of Oldfella - tho' I am an old fella myself. But from what I've read, there is a HUGE difference between Tren and Dec. Not that I have any tren experience.

But of course - everyone should just say no to drugs.

 

[Quad-smack]

I would conservatively say that Tren is approx 3 - 3.5 X as strong as Deca mg for mg.
Edit: Here is a list of androgenic/anabolic ratios as compared to Testosterone
Compound:------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
1-Testosterone--------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)-------------45------320
Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)--37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)---------107-144-----267-332
Anavar(Oxandrolone)-------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)--------30-260-----60-220
Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)----100------100
Androderm(Testosterone)---------------100------100
Androgel(Testosterone)------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)--------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------37------125
Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)--37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------100------100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)-----------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)------------37------125
Durabolin(NPP)----------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)---------37------125
Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)-----50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)-------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)-------------------17------350
Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)------------850------1,900
Hydroxytestosterone---------------------25------65
Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)---------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone )------187------1,200
Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)-----25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)--25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)-------650------2,300
Mestanolone--------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenedi ol)-------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone---------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone----------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)----------281------1304
Methyltestosterone-------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)-------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)-------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen(Bolasterone)-----------------------300------575
Nilevar(Norethandrolone)------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)-----------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------325-580------110-125
Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)-500------500
Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)----------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)-44-57------88
Prostanozol------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)--------------------61------456
Proviron(Mesterolone)-----------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)-37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)--20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)-------------400------20
Sustanon 100 & 250--------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-100------100
Test 400---------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends------------500------500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------30------320

 

[SOCOM]

I've been recommended to run Deca THEN Tren, or Tren THEN Deca..but not both at the same time...

 

[Cosmicdrifter]

They are somewhat different in effect for being similar chemically.
For joint pain relief and mass accrual - Deca.
For hardness and dry/lean gains - Tren.

I use Deca for the reasons above;the two seem complimentary based on their different functions. If you have an anti-prolactin and take a reasonable dose, it seems that you can control the sides.

You read horror stories about Tren sides, but it always seems to be related to higher dosage levels and in the absence of prolactin control. Since it reportedly has about 5 times the anabolic ability of Test, if you added just 200mg per week it would be the same as 1000mg of Test.

I can't see any reason not to do as above.

 

[franktasey]

I use Deca for the reasons above;the two seem complimentary based on their different functions. If you have an anti-prolactin and take a reasonable dose, it seems that you can control the sides.

You read horror stories about Tren sides, but it always seems to be related to higher dosage levels and in the absence of prolactin control. Since it reportedly has about 5 times the anabolic ability of Test, if you added just 200mg per week it would be the same as 1000mg of Test.

I can't see any reason not to do as above.

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