Aldactone - Is it Possible to come in Full and Vascular When Using it?

hypRgonad · May 14, 2014

My thread was moved to beginners section - why?? I have 24 years contest experience & own a state overall in a major federation (2009).
Below are legitimate questions I have after already using it a handful of times but I'm still yet to peak successfully on it

Please - to those who haven't had success with aldactone - I respect your reasons why but don't need to hear them again here.

I need to hear from those who used it & came in dry & relatively full & vascular.

I have a show on Sunday. I have ran Aldactone previously with limited success - 25mg Wed, 50mg Thur-Sun (show day Sun). Salt kept high right through. Water kept high until night before then sips only till show.

I was dry with very little subq water but had trouble filling out on the day leading up to show from my carb up & could not achieve any great pump before going on stage as well as losing the vascularity that I normally have.

So what do you guys (who've had success) do with your carb up approach when using aldactone? Do you make sure your already relatively full when you begin to take it a few days out?

Or do stay relatively glycogen depleted on the first couple of days e.g. Wed Thurs with show day being Sun. Then start filling out on the final 1-2-3 days & been successful in your glycogen reload?

And have you still got decent vascularity on show day with your approach?

Are you safe to spill a little during your carb load knowing that the aldactone will clean it up come show day?

Celtic Warrior · May 14, 2014

perhaps begin filling out a bit earlier, last time I used aldactone I started it monday night before a saturday show and began carbing up at this point also. You could use dyazide the day before just and have your carbing done prior to that?

ajdos · May 14, 2014

There was a really good post on aldactone about 1.5 yrs ago from a board vet and experienced bodybuilder let me see if I can find it.

hypRgonad · May 14, 2014

ajdos · May 14, 2014

Ok, the thread got deleted, dont know what happened dont want to know from the looks of things.
As I remember the gist of it was aldactone wasn't really needed and if memory serves could interfere with carb re-uptake on filling out (dont quote me Im going on 18 months memory).
It was a good write up as I remember and a good quality discussion against its use.
I have used it as many times as I didnt. I have to admit the last time I used it I looked awesome-BUT maybe I could have looked that much better without it.

Flex2019 · May 14, 2014

Aldactone is an androgen blocker, and is not usually a good choice for a diuretic. I know this isn't the answer you want, but it's the truth, and it's also the reason there's not much info to be found on it here. It's just not a good drug except in a few particular circumstances (such as trying to dry out properly for two shows on back-to-back weeks). If I couldn't get Dyazide, I would choose an herbal diuretic over Aldactone.

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pieguy · May 14, 2014

Not that I've worked with Aceto, but doesn't he use an aldactone + dyazide protocol? I remember reading something on rxmuscle about it. Here's what a member on that board put up.

Assuming your card loading start wed and show is Sat morning/afternoon
Tue night aldactone 25mg water 10-12L
Wed 25mg AM/25mg PM water 10-12L
Thurs 25mg AM/25mg PM water 10-12L
Fri NO aldactone, 1/2 Diazide evening water 500ml morning till 2PM afternoon
if needed another 1/2 Diazide early Sat but remember this could flatten you out if your carbed up enough. This works through the night so if your a bit over spilled at sleep fri night thats good cause youll be on point AM. Sat carbs are just to hold that state shouldnt have to carb to fill -Stunna

This could all be storytelling, but I'm just trying to generate discussion.

Killer.7 · May 14, 2014

what is the general consensus on hydrochlorothiazide VS dyazide

pieguy · May 14, 2014

Killer.7 said:
what is the general consensus on hydrochlorothiazide VS dyazide

Thought the triamterene added into dyazide was just to make it potassium sparing?

red5150 · May 14, 2014

I know 2 guys who won their pro card using (both in heavies) using aldactone and each used another diuretic as well. They both started the aldactone on Monday and kept it in til they started the other one on Friday. It can be done but you have to really know your body and know your shit, and monitor your body closely or you will cramp like a mofo and be flat as a pancake.

warlock · May 14, 2014

Flex2019 said:
Aldactone is an androgen blocker, and is not usually a good choice for a diuretic. I know this isn't the answer you want, but it's the truth, and it's also the reason there's not much info to be found on it here. It's just not a good drug except in a few particular circumstances (such as trying to dry out properly for two shows on back-to-back weeks). If I couldn't get Dyazide, I would choose an herbal diuretic over Aldactone.

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Are there any specific herbal diuretic you like?

Thanks

Flex2019 · May 14, 2014

warlock said:
Are there any specific herbal diuretic you like?

Thanks

I often have clients use MHP X-pel with good results.

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Rob S. · May 14, 2014

MHP X-Pel is a great herbal diuretic, used it my first show this march and was shredded. Didnt want to use a diuretic the first time, hope i will learn something from this thread.

warlock · May 15, 2014

Flex2019 said:
I often have clients use MHP X-pel with good results.

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Thanks. I have used the same one as well

hypRgonad · May 15, 2014

Thanks guys for your input.

Flex - I accept your reasons for not using it as you've no doubt years of experience with everything. I still beleive though that the anti-androgen properties would be negligible in affecting your look if only using 50mg p/day over 4 or so days.

However I'm still convinced it can be used excusively (without dyazide at the end) to acheive the desired dry hard look.

There are examples such as what Red gave above stating that 2 guys got their pro card using it (along with probably dyazide at the end).

I know for a fact one of the PM's main members (I won't name him out of respect for his privacy) won his pro card last year using a similar protocol to myself & what Aceto uses e.g. Show day Sun, Start Wed night 25mg & continue 25mg morning/night up until show.

This 'now' pro I talk about's only regret was using the dyazide at the end - he has stated that if he had his time again he would have left the dyazide out.

Noel Fuller is a big advocate of it also & his clients are generally extremely dry (although there may sometimes be 1 or 2 dyazide on eve of & morning of show).

I'm still yet to hear advice in this thread on carb up approach when using it??? Anyone here have advice/feedback from their approach??

mg1228 · May 16, 2014

i think it was Johnny Smiles who said....make sure you are 75% full when you start using it...cause once your on it a few days you aint filling out no matter what.

i found this to be true in my experience.

hypRgonad · May 16, 2014

mg1228 said:
i think it was Johnny Smiles who said....make sure you are 75% full when you start using it...cause once your on it a few days you aint filling out no matter what.

i found this to be true in my experience.

Cheers^^That's exactly the sort of advice I was after.

Sieve · May 16, 2014

I dont think you can.

JonnyO · May 16, 2014

hypRgonad said:
I'm still yet to hear advice in this thread on carb up approach when using it??? Anyone here have advice/feedback from their approach??

Its always flattened me out and its true makes it very difficult to carb load for sure.

I talked to Noel on the phone and he gave he some advise how to use it properly, he said to not cut sodium and to keep water in. Very vague I know Id have to dig up the notes I have from that convo but that was the jist of it. A friend went on to win her Pro card just after that and she ran it how it was explained to me.

hypRgonad · May 17, 2014

JonnyO said:
Its always flattened me out and its true makes it very difficult to carb load for sure.

I talked to Noel on the phone and he gave he some advise how to use it properly, he said to not cut sodium and to keep water in. Very vague I know Id have to dig up the notes I have from that convo but that was the jist of it. A friend went on to win her Pro card just after that and she ran it how it was explained to me.

Thanks Jonny.

Noel also gave me the same advice. Now that I remember, when I questioned him on the carb up approach he said to stay full from the beginning i.e. I expect he assumes any spillage whilst staying full will be eventually cleaned up come show day.