anadrol/dbol induced gyno

[tatteredxangelx]

hey, my dumbass decided to stray from my test only cycle to peak out for my first powerlifting meet. Anyway, the result is sore swollen nips ... usually letro @ 2.5mg a day makes it go away in 4-5 days, but it isn't working this time. What should I used and at what dosage to combat this ... aromasin? dostinex?

 

[makaveli25]

id get some pharm grade nolva none of that research stuff its underdosed take like 40mgs for a few days that should help

 

[VanR__]

2.5 e/d of letro has stopped my gyno in it's tracks from everything that has ever causes it.
How much drol you using?

 

[Muay Thai]

bro, i had been using cabaser letro and exemstane EVeryday

didnt do a damn thing for my gyno

it didnt start to go away until i went back to good old nolva

donno..........try it@!@!@!@!@! pharm grade astraZeneca!

 

[kfrost06]

hey, my dumbass decided to stray from my test only cycle to peak out for my first powerlifting meet. Anyway, the result is sore swollen nips ... usually letro @ 2.5mg a day makes it go away in 4-5 days, but it isn't working this time. What should I used and at what dosage to combat this ... aromasin? dostinex?

Well, the anadrol should not be causing the gyno, it's a DHT and structurally incapable of under going aromatization. The dbol is the likely culprit however your dosing could be the cause. I have come across some people that have the misconception that taking all their gear at once about an hour before the work out is the best course. This can really send your endogenous hormone levels to go haywire espicially w/o an exogenous testosterone baseline. Dosing evenly throughout the day well stabalize your levels and is the best course to avoid unwanted sides.

As for reversing the current gyno, letro is by far the best. Is there a chance your letro is underdosed or even bogus? Are you experiencing the typical sides, i.e. loss of sex drive, dryness, etc. I've found that taking 2mg/ED will lower your estrogen levels to near zero and that should stop and even reverse gyno. The SERMs like nolva will only compete with existing estrodiol for the receptors in the mammory gland. They will win about 80% of the sites while letro will prevent estrogen from forming (in males).

Good Luck!

 

[MR. BMJ]

An AI will have no effect on Anadrol induced gyno since structurally it is incapable of aromatizing, but rather acts as a progestin or estrogen at the recptors (the big debate among people over the years on whether it acts as an estrogen or progestin....hence the arguement for either nolva or something like cabergoline).

At 2.5mg/d of Letro, it will suppress any aromatase levels induced by the dbol/test.

Personally, I think the problem lies with the Anadrol....

I'd ditch the anadrol completely and see how that treats you first, then you can eliminate one factor of cause by doing that.

BMJ

 

[kfrost06]

An AI will have no effect on Anadrol induced gyno since structurally it is incapable of aromatizing, but rather acts as a progestin or estrogen at the recptors (the big debate among people over the years on whether it acts as an estrogen or progestin....hence the arguement for either nolva or something like cabergoline).

At 2.5mg/d of Letro, it will suppress any aromatase levels induced by the dbol/test.

Personally, I think the problem lies with the Anadrol....

I'd ditch the anadrol completely and see how that treats you first, then you can eliminate one factor of cause by doing that.

BMJ

good post!

I think more info is needed to determine which is the cause but your reasoning and approach is very good. Drol has cunfused me for years which is why I stay away from it. I personally believe the drol acts like an estrogen hence the excess water weight one typically gets from drol and through secondhand info, I've found taking SERMs will lower gains from the drol which means it is competing for receptor sites. Furthermore, Drols o-ring structure is similar to that of oestrogen. What's your take? estrogen or progestin?

I'd be very interested in finding out if anyone has experienced gyno from a anadrol only cycle but then again who would take an anadrol only cycle?

 

[tatteredxangelx]

im also running test guys .... its not a dbol/adrol only cycle and I agree anadrol is the culprit ... I am going to see how the caber works, but I know its legit because it makes me break out ...

 

[MR. BMJ]

My simple answer is that I do not know

I've seen the arguement from both sides in regards to drol, but both are pending on the research that is available, which isn't very much imo...or at least with strong conclusions.

I've heard from users that Nolva helps, while others state that it did nothing and only cabergoline helped. I'm not big on running nolva with progestins (ie pgr upregulation), but if it works, then I wouldn't necessarily drop it 's use either.

The studies performed from a long time ago are very weak, and not reliable imo. Before AI's were available, we used Anadrol a lot back in the day, and those who were sensitive to it's sides, Nolva did nothing for them. This was back in the Nolva/proviron only days...lol.

So if it worked well by it's actions as an anti-estrogen, while drol acts like an estrogen, then it should have eliminated their gyno occurences. Now, that isn't set in stone either imo because others have stated it did work, and even more guys stated it prevented gyno from once applied when in the past without it, they did receive problems. So again, their is a conflict on the 2 sides here

With drol, if you are sensitive, then maybe the best course of action is no action of it all. It's a tricky compound imo for this exact side. Some may never get signs of gyno though, but those who do, it usually developes VERY quick out of nowhere. Keeping the doses on the low end also helps.

So all that being stated, and I didn't really add much with all of it in regards to answering the question.....maybe both Nolva and cabergoline is best suited for it....pending on whether it increases PgR expression, at which point nolva would not be beneficial.

An AI should be used during this if on test or dbol imo. I'm a big advocate of always having at least 'some' test in the equation.

The arguement between whether anadrol acts like an estrogen or a progestin, I can't say for certain now though. I'm partial to it acting as a progestin though...slightly.

BMJ

 

[MR. BMJ]

The current thought though is to control estrogen levels, and any rise in progestins will not cause breast development, since both are needed for formation. I don't 100% agree with that though as i've seen tren only cycles causing gyno, where test/estro levels would be nothing.

BMJ

 

[hellraiser27]

im also running test guys .... its not a dbol/adrol only cycle and I agree anadrol is the culprit ... I am going to see how the caber works, but I know its legit because it makes me break out ...

Its everything you are using! Test, dbol and anadrol all are well known to cause gyno! If you take all 3 at once then you can't just blame 1.

Ive done all three at once, ive got gyno from all three on seperate ocassions and together. Trust me when I tell you Nolva will work for all three. And all this crap about reducing gains is silly. How much are you gaining if you have bitch tits?