Gyno help

[pumpflex7]

A little about me first: I’ve ran multiple cycles on and off for 15 years now. Most cycles consisted of test anywhere from 5-750mg per week deca 2-400mg a week and anadrol or Dbol for orals 50-150mg per day and somtimes rotating each compound every 4 weeks or a mix and match And lastly GH 2-10ius per day. I never did much more than this other than some peptide dabbling. Well this run I figured I’d try tren. Everything for the most part was fine I ran everything a bit lower this time my test I started out @500 but dropped to 375 a week, my deca was at 300 and dropped to 150 a week and I started tren at 50mg every other day and masteron I started @ 600 and dropped to 300 per week and did 100mg MWF with the tren. Dbol the first four weeks or so and then took two weeks off and added anadrol. I started noticing symptoms of gyno very tender achey nipple and then started to feel a bean size ball under one of them. The other nipple has been fine but feels there maybe a pea size issue going on no tenderness or anything tho. I’ve never had gyno issues EVER up until now. I have adex on hand and took .5 Monday and started tamoxifen 20mg split up 2 times a day.

I haven’t dropped anything but the anadrol. I don’t really want to drop anything at all and that’s part of my question I guess, which is, am I handling the gyno the best way I can right now? If not any other advice ? And should I be dropping everything and cruise ? Or still run my cycle? I’ve read plenty of experiences here and seems people don’t necessarily have to stop to keep the gyno under control but then again I’d want to tackle this the best way possible. Thanks

 

[bbxtreme]

A little about me first: I’ve ran multiple cycles on and off for 15 years now. Most cycles consisted of test anywhere from 5-750mg per week deca 2-400mg a week and anadrol or Dbol for orals 50-150mg per day and somtimes rotating each compound every 4 weeks or a mix and match And lastly GH 2-10ius per day. I never did much more than this other than some peptide dabbling. Well this run I figured I’d try tren. Everything for the most part was fine I ran everything a bit lower this time my test I started out @500 but dropped to 375 a week, my deca was at 300 and dropped to 150 a week and I started tren at 50mg every other day and masteron I started @ 600 and dropped to 300 per week and did 100mg MWF with the tren. Dbol the first four weeks or so and then took two weeks off and added anadrol. I started noticing symptoms of gyno very tender achey nipple and then started to feel a bean size ball under one of them. The other nipple has been fine but feels there maybe a pea size issue going on no tenderness or anything tho. I’ve never had gyno issues EVER up until now. I have adex on hand and took .5 Monday and started tamoxifen 20mg split up 2 times a day.

I haven’t dropped anything but the anadrol. I don’t really want to drop anything at all and that’s part of my question I guess, which is, am I handling the gyno the best way I can right now? If not any other advice ? And should I be dropping everything and cruise ? Or still run my cycle? I’ve read plenty of experiences here and seems people don’t necessarily have to stop to keep the gyno under control but then again I’d want to tackle this the best way possible. Thanks

Very few people can get away with running tren and not address prolactin. Especially with dbol. I’d get labs and check your E2 and prolactin.

My guess is you’ll need adex or aromosin daily while on tren. P5P probably would have prevented it, but now that you’re mid cycle you’ll likely need cabergoline- 0.25mg 3x a week as you don’t want to go overkill (my opinion).

Keep in mind once gyno is there it can’t be “reversed” so you can minimize it or have surgery at some point if it becomes an issue or bothersome.

I would throw your cycles up here for critique in the future as that’s what this place is here for. It can save a lot of guys issues like this as this cycle was set up wrong from the start.

 

[pumpflex7]

Ive been running P5P and injectable b6 the whole time

 

[pumpflex7]

Very few people can get away with running tren and not address prolactin. Especially with dbol. I’d get labs and check your E2 and prolactin.

My guess is you’ll need adex or aromosin daily while on tren. P5P probably would have prevented it, but now that you’re mid cycle you’ll likely need cabergoline- 0.25mg 3x a week as you don’t want to go overkill (my opinion).

Keep in mind once gyno is there it can’t be “reversed” so you can minimize it or have surgery at some point if it becomes an issue or bothersome.

I would throw your cycles up here for critique in the future as that’s what this place is here for. It can save a lot of guys issues like this as this cycle was set up wrong from the start.

I ran p5p and injectable b6 the whole time

 

[KingOfSushi]

I ran p5p and injectable b6 the whole time

It’s not always enough for everyone. Where’s your sensitive e2 currently?

 

[Astro95]

Shooting into the wind without bloodwork, but a cycle with 2 19 nors, 150 Nandrolone and especially Tren at 300 with Dbol then anadrol and no AI most likely drove prolactin up causing gyno.

Possibly e2 rides a little high in you, you just don’t experience negative effects, but with Deca and Tren that higher e2 brought your prolactin up which started the gyno.

Prolactin driven gyno won’t go away with ai. I’d pull bloods asap and then start on caber and lower or drop the tren. P5P helps some, but didn’t do anything for me when I ran Test, HGH, Tren and an oral… 3mg adex did nothing. Everything low dose.

 

[deadmanwalking]

Very few people can get away with running tren and not address prolactin. Especially with dbol. I’d get labs and check your E2 and prolactin.

My guess is you’ll need adex or aromosin daily while on tren. P5P probably would have prevented it, but now that you’re mid cycle you’ll likely need cabergoline- 0.25mg 3x a week as you don’t want to go overkill (my opinion).

Keep in mind once gyno is there it can’t be “reversed” so you can minimize it or have surgery at some point if it becomes an issue or bothersome.

I would throw your cycles up here for critique in the future as that’s what this place is here for. It can save a lot of guys issues like this as this cycle was set up wrong from the start.

Would the adex be necessary if he lowered test dose to trt?

 

[bbxtreme]

Would the adex be necessary if he lowered test dose to trt?

He would still be guessing if he does that without bloodwork and with tren in the mix as the dosages he was using he likely would still need cabergoline.

I know many guys here have demonized using AI’s lately and things like cabergoline, but they are a must for most guys when using a cycle like this with higher levels of tren and 19-nor compounds.

 

[pumpflex7]

Waiting for blood work I’ll post back results thanks guys

 

[pumpflex7]

I have no idea why they’re all coming in at separate times but prolactin was at 74.60 still waiting on the rest

 

[Astro95]

I have no idea why they’re all coming in at separate times but prolactin was at 74.60 still waiting on the rest

Results come back that way, they’re all different tests not one single one. I use Labcorp/Marek and they wait till they’re all back to send them to me. I prefer quest which releases them as they come.

That’s extremely high prolactin, 20ng/ml would be my top end. Normal levels are around 8.

Interested to see your E2. I’d definitely start caber maybe get rid of the 19 nors.

 

[bbxtreme]

I have no idea why they’re all coming in at separate times but prolactin was at 74.60 still waiting on the rest

It’s ironic we have two threads at the top right now- one with someone who used cabergoline at too high of a dosage with P5P and this thread where it was needed. The common dominator- neither did bloodwork. This is why bloodwork and coaches are invaluable. Good lessons for all to learn in this sport.

That aside I would either add Caber twice weekly at .25mg if it was me. OR I would just pull tren and use another compound. If you’re not prepping for a photoshoot or competition it’s not a “must” as you can use other compounds.

 

[pumpflex7]

It’s ironic we have two threads at the top right now- one with someone who used cabergoline at too high of a dosage with P5P and this thread where it was needed. The common dominator- neither did bloodwork. This is why bloodwork and coaches are invaluable. Good lessons for all to learn in this sport.

That aside I would either add Caber twice weekly at .25mg if it was me. OR I would just pull tren and use another compound. If you’re not prepping for a photoshoot or competition it’s not a “must” as you can use other compound

thought general rule is to wait 5 half life’s for blood work?

 

[bbxtreme]

thought general rule is to wait 5 half life’s for blood work?

I’m not sure if this is a joke or serious question. But no. There is a reason most top bodybuilders do or should be getting bloodwork every 4-6 weeks in a prep.

The goal should always be to use bloodwork as a prevention in this sport as there are constant changing hormones and variables. Unfortunately the medical system has taught us to use it as a confirmation tool after the fact.

 

[pumpflex7]

I’m not sure if this is a joke or serious question. But no. There is a reason most top bodybuilders do or should be getting bloodwork every 4-6 weeks in a prep.

The goal should always be to use bloodwork as a prevention in this sport as there are constant changing hormones and variables. Unfortunately the medical system has taught us to use it as a confirmation tool after the fact.

I read it on here, which normally like you said i did every month and got lazy smh but ya the reason behind it was that the compound is just working into your body and your body isn’t yet reacting to it?

 

[Brocksamson2.0]

Bloodwork to address issues. Most likely prolactin

 

[pumpflex7]

Post in thread 'Adding an AAS and bloodwork timing?'
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/...-aas-and-bloodwork-timing.185985/post-3500494

 

[pumpflex7]

How do I find a coach on here is there a proper place to post and ask?

 

[bbxtreme]

I read it on here, which normally like you said i did every month and got lazy smh but ya the reason behind it was that the compound is just working into your body and your body isn’t yet reacting to it.

Ahh @buck was referring to gauging a new compound in a lighter context I believe. He can correct me if wrong.

In this case we know from experience tren does increase E2 and prolactin. The best thing would have been to check your bloodwork prior to starting the new cycle to see levels and at minimum implement P5P a few weeks prior to starting the cycle to be proactive.

Knowing you used DBol, multiple 19-nor compounds and tren it would have been a solid bet to use more aromosin and be preventative IMO.

Now in the other thread on here he was using P5P early on and managed E2 and ended up on the other end of the spectrum. No dbol, but you can see the difference in individuals as it’s not a one fit all approach in this sport as much as we want it to be.

 

[bbxtreme]

How do I find a coach on here is there a proper place to post and ask?

DM @IFBBProDomCardone or @luki7788. Both are top and solid coaches.