Another Newbie needs help

[Nothingness]

Guys, need some help. Any information is greatly appreciated. First some backround. I am 28, 6'1", 220 lbs, with 13% body fat. I have only juiced once before- last year with test (sustanon) for 10 weeks. Gained a considerable amount of strength and weight (Approx 25 lbs), and kept most of it. Summer time is closely approaching (yes, its the vanity in me) and looking to do a 10 week cycle. This is where I need help. I have done some research, but nonetheless have come accross contradictory data. Accordingly, not only looking for suggestions but for justifications for those suggestions. OK, enough talk.
Goal: To gain approx 10-15 lbs of quality muscle while getting ripped at the same time within a $600 budget (injectables only).
Resources: can get stuff avaliable in mexico.

This is where help is needed. Thinking about running:
1-10 test 500mg (which one, considering the aformentioned info) or
1-6 500mg test with
6-10 300-400mg primo and
clen and
Hcg and
creatin and
clomid

Looking for info on how to run this cycle or a suggested one.
When should I start the clen?
And the Hcg?
Should I run test for 10 weeks considering goals. If so, what? Sus is relatively cheap, but do I want to use this. If not, what should I stack it with.

I am really looking for recomendations on the given goal. Any input is welcomed, and thanks a lot

 

[haze324]

you are asking for alot to gain 10-15lbs and get ripped!

TREN
PROP
EQ
Clen

....and most important, diet correctly.

 

[BigBoyJ]

If it was me trying to accomplish what you're doing, here's what I'd do.

15 week cycle.

Week 1-15, 750 mg test per week and 100 mg tren every other day.

Week 7-15, Winny 50 mg per day. 20 mcg t3 per day

Clen up to 100 mcg per day, used two weeks on two weeks off throughout.


Of course your diet is going to be what makes it work or not.

 

[alpha-longhorn]

If it was me trying to accomplish what you're doing, here's what I'd do.

15 week cycle.

Week 1-15, 750 mg test per week and 100 mg tren every other day.

Week 7-15, Winny 50 mg per day. 20 mcg t3 per day

Clen up to 100 mcg per day, used two weeks on two weeks off throughout.


Of course your diet is going to be what makes it work or not.

i think he can eat what he is eatting right now with that cycle and get what he is looking for..

 

[rAJJIN]

Ok first thing I would do is forgett all this.

6-10 300-400mg primo and
clen and
Hcg and
creatin and
clomid.

Stick with your test as planned and add boldenone. Id use Quality vet
Cyp (appx 35-40$ a bottle in mex)
Eq (appx 50-60$ mex)
Thats all you need at this point..maybe drop the cyp for prop or suspension
at the end and add winni.

Tren would be Great if you had a good ug lab or can make Fina-plix
But in mexico its to high.

Just do the same Mg or maybe a bit more then you ran before with your sus
and add the Eq. I think thats all youd need to make some good gains
and spend all the extra money I just saved ya on Food

 

[vitor]

Fina my friend,

I would wager that if you ran 75 mgs of Fina EOD, with 150mgs of Prop EOD, in 6 weeks you could be where you want, hell add some dbol for the first 3 weeks, with some arimidex and this will be cake,

only down side is you have a lot of injections, but nothing beats fina and prop.

 

[Chuck999]

Glad to see Vitor mention the Arimidex. The clomid in your original "plan" wouldn't help much in that regard - its only a fairly weak anti-e. Definitely need some Arimidex or Femara. I personally find that I don't need a hell of a lot, even when running a gram a week or more. But definitely get your hands on some Arrimidex or Femara to run all the way thru, and for at least a few weeks after. You don't want to have to have breast reduction surgery after your cycle is thru!

 

[Nothingness]

Fina my friend,

I would wager that if you ran 75 mgs of Fina EOD, with 150mgs of Prop EOD, in 6 weeks you could be where you want, hell add some dbol for the first 3 weeks, with some arimidex and this will be cake,

only down side is you have a lot of injections, but nothing beats fina and prop.

If I did the above, how about clen and hcg? Also, what is arimidex?

 

[xcelbeyond]

Also, what is arimidex?

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1244

 

[xcelbeyond]

Letrozole - trade name=Femara http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1243

 

[Nothingness]

Ok first thing I would do is forgett all this.

6-10 300-400mg primo and
clen and
Hcg and
creatin and
clomid.

Stick with your test as planned and add boldenone. Id use Quality vet
Cyp (appx 35-40$ a bottle in mex)
Eq (appx 50-60$ mex)
Thats all you need at this point..maybe drop the cyp for prop or suspension
at the end and add winni.

Tren would be Great if you had a good ug lab or can make Fina-plix
But in mexico its to high.

Just do the same Mg or maybe a bit more then you ran before with your sus
and add the Eq. I think thats all youd need to make some good gains
and spend all the extra money I just saved ya on Food

Rajjin,
If I ran this, how much EQ? 200-300mg?
When should I run the winny, for how long, and at what dosage?

 

[Chuck999]

Nothingness you really, really need to follow Xcel's thread and read it. I would also strongly suggest you do some more studying before starting an AS cycle. Used right, this shit can do some wonderful things, but you can also thoroughly fuck yourself up if you start doing something before you have a solid understanding of everything that's involved. Basically, we're talking about "sides" - as in side effects, only one example of which is gyno and other problems created by aromatization of AS into estrogen. Also a lot of other issues you need to understand. Do some more studying before you mess yourself up.

 

[dragonfire101]

I would read up on how to use antiestrogens and clomid for PCT.

 

[vitor]

I would do the clen in the begining, then again post cycle, might help keeps some gains, not the biggest fan of clen myself. Arimidex .25-.5 mg ED is what I usally do, dont want gyno or any water,

Now have you thought this through in regads to post cycle right around your trip or whatever it is your doing, you are all jacked, then come off cycle and the hoes are swarming but you cant get it up,

 

[dragonfire101]

research

 

[L.G.]

Also, what is arimidex?

I would tend to have to agree with Chuck bro. You'd really be doing yourself a disservice (physically speaking) if you didnt do more research and just read everything you can to learn about AAS and it's effects on the human body. You'll have a better understanding of what works, how it works and what you should and shouldn't do to keep yourself safe. I know the "relentless pursuit" can be an addiction of sorts, just understand everything you can about it before diving in head first. We are ALL still learning! (Maybe except Phill and Big A)