Arimidex Problem

[John99Test]

Hi

 

[oldfella]

Try dropping letro and use adex eod. You have knocked out all your oestrogen. Not a good idea. This will hinder your other gains as well! But perhaps drop both for 4-5days and then use adex eod.

 

[Force245]

well....

I may be wrong, but if you have true gyno that has developed, increased size of the male mamary tissue, the only true way is surgery if it came on during a cyle and stayed there after. If it is just fat developing then it is a estro issue. .5 is still alot of adex. .5 eod should suffice. You don't want to kill all the estro. And even though 875 is a good amount, I think for the most of the guys estro and gyno issues are not a problem.

 

[oldfella]

I did not specifically address our gyno, once you have it surgery is the only way to get rid of it. I was addressing the issue of you knocking your oestro levels down too low. This will create a whole host of probs. Also a very high dose of test (which I'm not saying yours is) can cause the drowsiness and lethargy as well. Adex eod at .05 should be more than enough to keep your oestro levels down a bit. I did mention to drop it for about 4-5 days and allow some of your oestrogen to come back up. Might even need to wait about a week. I would not worry too much about it. Maybe even drop the adex altogether for a while until you notice any symptoms of gyno like itchy puffy nips then throw it in the mix. But 875 of a mixed estered test is starting to push what I would call the high end for most. it is the short esters here that can cause levels to fluctuate. Now that your oestrogen levels are down your system is yo-yo-ing back and forth.

 

[oldfella]

Do you suggest I replace the multi-estered Andropen for maybe just Test Enathanate? Once stabalized that would take care of the yo-yo effect you were referring to. My question is... I thought the whole premise behind Andropen (which is similar to Sustanon) was that it provided more stable blood levels over a set period of time. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks. I'd like to stay on the andropen if possible because I'm seeing nice gains on it. I just don't want to overdue it thereby aggravating slight pre-existing gyno. Thanks.

Stay on it for this run but the next cycle you consider try using cyp or enanth for the cycle. But your levels should be stabilized after a few weeks. With the single ester you are getting say 500mgs of that ester working over time instead of say prop working and trailing off after it's short half life and then the longer esters kicking in. It does create a small peak and trough effect in your levels. Let's get that oestrogen under control first.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

i don't get that problem with aromasin (exemestane). dunno why, because it does eliminate more estro than armidex... it does bind to shbg though. mebbe acting like proviron.

 

[Force245]

Bro you are probably being paranoid anbout gyno. If you feel the hard lumps like under a womans nipple. you got it. But if you are just gaining slight amounts of fat, its probably fat deposited induced by estro. What is you dosing scheme for Andropen?

 

[Fa Seeshus]

"Also I have stopped benching because growing the muscle under the fat only makes the chest fast protrude more. I am still doing pec flyes though."


then why are you even on cycle?

 

[Paul Bunyan]

IMO, why don't you just diet the excess fat off and keep it off. Then if there really is a gyno problem you will know it. If you decide to put on some weight then do it slowly. Just look at pics of Alex A (one of our members), that guy is peeled all of the time. It all depends on your goals.

PB

 

[pesty4077]

IMO, why don't you just diet the excess fat off and keep it off. Then if there really is a gyno problem you will know it. If you decide to put on some weight then do it slowly. Just look at pics of Alex A (one of our members), that guy is peeled all of the time. It all depends on your goals.

PB

Good point Paul, I been working with Alex, I can tell you that you will hold fat in those areas. I am now very lean and carry nothing in that area.

 

[Ashop]

I am currently on a Andropen (875mg per week) cycle. I have some pretty-existing gyno from a previous cycle and am currently running Adex at 1mg a day. I mostly have fat in the chest and it's not really located around the nipple area. I have also taken a little bit of letro to try and get rid of the gyno. My problem is that I have completely lost my libido. I can get it up but the desire just isn't there. I am wondering if I cut the letro out altogether and maybe lower my arimidex dose maybe I can regain my sex drive.

Is 0.5mg of Arimidex per day enough to combat gyno in a person who has a slight fatty chest and taking 825mg of Andropen per week. I am guessing the reason for my non-existant sex drive is due to my estrogen level being to low. I also have unusually low energy lately and I guess I can attribute that to low estrogen levels as well. It's all I can do to get through my workout and then I'm exhausted.

Can anyone let me know there experiences with Arimidex, Letro and low sex drive and low energy. I need my energy and sex drive back but don't want to aggrivate my gyno any more than is neccesary.

maybe you should consider adding in Proviron?

 

[Force245]

Listen to the guys above. You are probably obssessing about the fat deposits and not true gyno. Like I said If you got, you will know it. You ever flet up a flat chested girl? even a flat chested girls has a litlle hard lumpy mamary. Remember that feeling when you played with it and still felt something, that is what you should be worried about. The hard lumpy veiny things under your nipple, not added fat....

Honestly 6 to 8 hundred milligrams should not cause gyno issues unless you are really really really sensitive. I've been, many years ago, at 1.5 to 1.75 grams of Sust a weeks with no AI's or Nolv.

 

[upeccmi]

Gyno surgury was the best thing I ever did over 15 years ago, I knew I would be cycling for years to come and had small lumps in my chest. I went to a good doctor, as they can come back if not done correctly. I believe the cost was around $4K then, my insurance paid 80% so for $800 I never had to worry about putting a T-shirt on or buying anti E's ever again. I am sure the price is higher and good luck on finding insurance to pay for this now but still worth a look into.

 

[mars1960]

I did not specifically address our gyno, once you have it surgery is the only way to get rid of it. I was addressing the issue of you knocking your oestro levels down too low. This will create a whole host of probs. Also a very high dose of test (which I'm not saying yours is) can cause the drowsiness and lethargy as well. Adex eod at .05 should be more than enough to keep your oestro levels down a bit. I did mention to drop it for about 4-5 days and allow some of your oestrogen to come back up. Might even need to wait about a week. I would not worry too much about it. Maybe even drop the adex altogether for a while until you notice any symptoms of gyno like itchy puffy nips then throw it in the mix. But 875 of a mixed estered test is starting to push what I would call the high end for most. it is the short esters here that can cause levels to fluctuate. Now that your oestrogen levels are down your system is yo-yo-ing back and forth.

Multi estered test does not cause the plasma test levels to fluctuate because it's got short esters in it, it just gets your levels up quick and has a longer duration of action than a single estered test.
For example take sustanon.
Sustanon contains a number of esters of testosterone with different durations of action. (we all know what they are so i won't list them).The esters are hydrolysed into the natural hormone testosterone, as soon as they enter the general circulation.

A single dose of Sustanon leads to an increase of total plasma testosterone, with peak level reached approximately 24-48hrs (tmax) after administration. Plasma testosterone levels return to the lower limit of the normal range in after approximately 21 days.

 

[oldfella]

Multi estered test does not cause the plasma test levels to fluctuate because it's got short esters in it, it just gets your levels up quick and has a longer duration of action than a single estered test.
For example take sustanon.
Sustanon contains a number of esters of testosterone with different durations of action. (we all know what they are so i won't list them).The esters are hydrolysed into the natural hormone testosterone, as soon as they enter the general circulation.

A single dose of Sustanon leads to an increase of total plasma testosterone, with peak level reached approximately 24-48hrs (tmax) after administration. Plasma testosterone levels return to the lower limit of the normal range in after approximately 21 days.

I tend to disagree here. The short ester Propionate will decline after the first 3 days. So if you think you are getting a steady weekly input of 500mgs you are not actually sustaining a higher level than with single estered test. Say cyp, has a half life of nearly 8 days. So shoot every 7 and you are inside the half life of this compound, thus maintianing a higher level over the time period. With Sustanon you will get fluctuations in your levels with the prop running lower toward the end of the week.