Best Way to come off gear after being on for a year?

[bigtasty25]

Well..ive been on basically a year now, silly..but NOW i kno better,...and am dieting down for another 8-10 weeks to get shredded..then taking at least 3 months off, totally clean, except for some hgh ;-p

In order to help speed my recovery/PCT, whats a good amount of hcg to take ON cycle (leading up to pct in 8-10 weeks)? ive heard 250 iu (split in 4 doses) every 3rd and 4th day works well, used until i start my pct. Would this in addition to sustain alpha work good even better?
thanks!

 

[tatteredxangelx]

Dude, no need for any PCT drugs ... just come off ... run the test 2 weeks longer than anything else and after that just stop. Make sure you started yer HGH atleast 12 weeks before your last test shot. I guess if anything, tribulus would work. In order to keep your strength ... drop the volume significantly, my workouts have been

M: Squat, Leg Press, and i superset lying hamstring curls/extenions with 2 very light sets of 8 (50%-60% of max set of 8) for my tendons)
T - off
W - Bench/Sit ups/Dips
Th - off
F - Deadlifts, reverse hypers, 2 sets of pulldowns
S - Smith Machine military press, laterals, Concentration curls, straight bar curls
S - off

Thats about 50% of the volume I had when I was on ... My weight went from 257-243 and I havent used any gear since 1/17/09. I actually look better now, because I am harder from not holding any water. The reduced volume has led to 15lb loss on my bench, 15lb increase on my deadlift, 15lb increase on my max squat (Would have been 25 increase in my opinion because, my squat suit doesnt fit as well due to losing 15lbs, but if it was a size smaller I know I would have hit that 680 last week) and a 5lb increase on my smith machine shoulder press. If you train smart, eat right, & take your multivitamin you will maintain.

 

[JohnnyPro]

Just taper off. If you already have nolva and clomid go ahead and use them. I would do 500 IU hcg every 5 days. You haven't been using hcg for a year? Do you still have any nuts?

 

[mooch2321]

so you guys are recomending not to run a pct after being on for a year.....huh....i know the body will strive to reach homeostasis on its own but thats crazy....with all we have available now, why would you not run a pct?

 

[ridge11]

I came off after being on for a year in july. My testosterone is permanently damaged. My bloodwork for total test was 160 in Oct, 385 in Dec, 260 in Feb. I no longer produce LH or FSH. Good Luck however you approach it.

 

[Snuka]

this is what i would do. go to the doctor and tell him your story. get pharm grade drugs. not doing a pct is retarded for those who suggested not to. for someone who has been on so long its not going to take 4 weeks of nolva and clomid to makes things all better, you will need more time than that. i would take more than 3 months off after pct as you have been on a year. get blood tests every so often to see if you recovered properly and stayed that way. also get all the other numbers under control (cholesterol mainly). who knows maybe you will be a candidate for HRT.

 

[maldorf]

I went off for 6 months and my level never reached normal. Highest my total test ever got was 165. Im now on HRT. Whatever path you choose, youre going to have to be off for much much longer than just 3 months, sorry to say. Could be wrong, but chances are.

 

[bigtasty25]

Just taper off. If you already have nolva and clomid go ahead and use them. I would do 500 IU hcg every 5 days. You haven't been using hcg for a year? Do you still have any nuts?

what do u mean taper off? 500iu every day days...interesting...there are sooo many different anwers for hcg use...is using more better...since ive been ON a good while ? when i go totally off im going to use hcg with alpha sustain for sure though...sustain alpha from PP (primordial performance) worked wonders for me in the past..much better than traditional nolva/clomid...

 

[617ricky]

Why do you have your avatar pic stretched horizontally? Not to be a dick or anything, but it's clearly noticeable.

 

[VTliftVT]

what do u mean taper off? 500iu every day days...interesting...there are sooo many different anwers for hcg use...is using more better...since ive been ON a good while ? when i go totally off im going to use hcg with alpha sustain for sure though...sustain alpha from PP (primordial performance) worked wonders for me in the past..much better than traditional nolva/clomid...

he means taper your dosage of whatever gear your using. for example if your running a gram of test for a week or two run 500mg, then another week or two run 250mg etc. just lower your dose somewhat gradually...not sure if this will do shit for your tho honestly bc your going to be completely shut down.

if i were you i would just cruise with 100mg test e/cyp ew bc your chances of getting any sort of rebound on your test levels at this point will be slim and if they do rebound they will not be close to baseline imo.

also, more hcg will not benefit you. hcg is LH, your body sees the exo LH and will not produce its own thus when you stop your HCG your body will not be producing its own LH to stimulate test production from your testes thus still keeping you shut down.

 

[Researchstop]

Yes, run PCT. After a year you're going to need it to avoid a crash. Tapering is not a good solution and the ester you're using is self tapering anyway.
Get an AI like Aromasin. Not Nolva.
Have Dbol on hand in case you need to run an AM Dbol course. You would do this in the event of a crash.
Run your AI throughout the PCT and beyond. I suggest 12.5mg/day of Aromasin.
Your last week use HCG. Use your same dose. Two weeks later (after your last shot) begin 50mg/day of Clomid. Run that for 3 weeks. Continue the AI for another 4 weeks.

 

[Swifto]

Dude, no need for any PCT drugs ... just come off ... run the test 2 weeks longer than anything else and after that just stop. Make sure you started yer HGH atleast 12 weeks before your last test shot. I guess if anything, tribulus would work. In order to keep your strength ... drop the volume significantly, my workouts have been

M: Squat, Leg Press, and i superset lying hamstring curls/extenions with 2 very light sets of 8 (50%-60% of max set of 8) for my tendons)
T - off
W - Bench/Sit ups/Dips
Th - off
F - Deadlifts, reverse hypers, 2 sets of pulldowns
S - Smith Machine military press, laterals, Concentration curls, straight bar curls
S - off

Thats about 50% of the volume I had when I was on ... My weight went from 257-243 and I havent used any gear since 1/17/09. I actually look better now, because I am harder from not holding any water. The reduced volume has led to 15lb loss on my bench, 15lb increase on my deadlift, 15lb increase on my max squat (Would have been 25 increase in my opinion because, my squat suit doesnt fit as well due to losing 15lbs, but if it was a size smaller I know I would have hit that 680 last week) and a 5lb increase on my smith machine shoulder press. If you train smart, eat right, & take your multivitamin you will maintain.

Wow, you dont know what the fuck your talking about.

No PCT and Tribulas. Looks like you need to do some more research.





Run some HCG at 500-1000ius for 10-15 days out from PCT beginning. Start Aromasin at 10mg/ED when you first start this.

For PCT, it should last as long as it takes to recover, not a set number of weeks. Especially for your circumstances. Carry on till your sex drive is back or you get BW done.

wk 1-3 Toremifene 120mg/ED
wk 3-? Toremifene 60mg/ED
wk 1-? Clomid 25-50mg/ED or Nolva 20mg/ED
wk 1-?Aromaisn 10mg/ED

If that doesnt make you recover, not much will. I'd also add PP's Sustain Alpha.

 

[Lacrosse2552]

def listen to Swifto!! no PCT after any cycle is idiotic

 

[klowndog]

Yes, run PCT. After a year you're going to need it to avoid a crash. Tapering is not a good solution and the ester you're using is self tapering anyway.
Get an AI like Aromasin. Not Nolva.
Have Dbol on hand in case you need to run an AM Dbol course. You would do this in the event of a crash. Run your AI throughout the PCT and beyond. I suggest 12.5mg/day of Aromasin.
Your last week use HCG. Use your same dose. Two weeks later (after your last shot) begin 50mg/day of Clomid. Run that for 3 weeks. Continue the AI for another 4 weeks.

Never heard that before. Could you explain the dbol usage? By crash do you mean in strength, sex drive, ??

 

[mrsoul]

Dude, no need for any PCT drugs ... just come off ... run the test 2 weeks longer than anything else and after that just stop. Make sure you started yer HGH atleast 12 weeks before your last test shot. I guess if anything, tribulus would work. In order to keep your strength ... drop the volume significantly, my workouts have been

M: Squat, Leg Press, and i superset lying hamstring curls/extenions with 2 very light sets of 8 (50%-60% of max set of 8) for my tendons)
T - off
W - Bench/Sit ups/Dips
Th - off
F - Deadlifts, reverse hypers, 2 sets of pulldowns
S - Smith Machine military press, laterals, Concentration curls, straight bar curls
S - off

Thats about 50% of the volume I had when I was on ... My weight went from 257-243 and I havent used any gear since 1/17/09. I actually look better now, because I am harder from not holding any water. The reduced volume has led to 15lb loss on my bench, 15lb increase on my deadlift, 15lb increase on my max squat (Would have been 25 increase in my opinion because, my squat suit doesnt fit as well due to losing 15lbs, but if it was a size smaller I know I would have hit that 680 last week) and a 5lb increase on my smith machine shoulder press. If you train smart, eat right, & take your multivitamin you will maintain.

very bad and irresponsible advice my man.

 

[Moen]

I don't see why, there's a lot of people here who don't believe in using yet other substances to start up what you put down with exgenous substances to begin with. (yes me neither)

I see the point obviously however it would have been real bad advice if he had said B while believing in A no?

 

[taslajrisi]

bigtasty

After a year on w no hcg you will be shut down hard (at least I would be). I had a similar situation and it takes a LONG time to get back to normal if you just stop or even taper if you are totally shutdown. I got tested many weeks after stoping and test was non existant and serms alone will not work fast enough. Like some others have said, I'd recommend being aggressive with HCG/HMG plus the serms w AI like research said. If you are shutdown you will need higher dose HCG to get jump started not just a pulse maintence dose. its easier to recover the younger you are I would guess too.

 

[tatteredxangelx]

Its not dumb ... taking drugs to come off other drugs is not restoring your bodys levels back to normal ... it is fucking with your hormones even more. The rollercoaster ride is no good ... IMO, one should either stay on, not cycle. Once he is done for good, than it is time to come off and PCT drugs do nothing but prevent the inevitable IMO. The only reason i reccommend tribulus is for sex drive not getting the nuts working again and I know there are a lot of other people who do not believe in Clom/Nolv PCT.

 

[Dave_19]

I think you're going to hear 25 different pieces of advice when ever you ask a question like this, just like every one else I have an opinion too but I have tested and proven mine with several subjects who have been on long term. You can PM me for details but I'll need more info on you and your last year. Stopping cold turkey w/o PCT drugs is NOT the answer though I'll tell you that.

 

[Steve123]

Research,

That AM Dbol dose. I've heard of that before and that it works pretty well because the half life is so short. I guess it almost tricks your body because AM levels are elevated naturally so something like 10mg will just elevate you a bit more, help avoid the crash but not shut you down.

question though, for somoene not wanting the sides of dbol, would/could T-bol work in the same manner?

Also, do you really think 3 weeks at 50mg on Clomid is sufficient for this guy or should it be more like 6 weeks and extending the aromasin dose out to like 10?

Thanks