Bicep Tear, Help???

[MMAFIGHTER]

Ive searched and searched for my kind of Bicep rupture all over the internet and cant find anything but bicep tendon tears. I tore my actual Bicep muscle, no tendons tore away from the bone or anything like that. I was talking to my doctor and he said it was like sewing hamburger meat back together. Is anyone familiar with this kind of muscle injury. I have one incision along the inside of my right bicep and the muscle is now really hard feeling? I had a cast on my arm that came up to my shoulder keeping it imobilized for 6 weeks.

Hopefully someone can give me some insight on the kind of recovery and whatnot to expect. He basicly just told me to stretch it out on my own and start lifting very very light and make sure i dont do any sudden jerking motions. He told me he didnt think i would need to go to physical therapy and since im an athlete he thinks i will do well enough on my own. Its just the thing is so tight and hard im scared ill tear it back apart the way he talked about it being like sewing hamburger meat back together.

 

[Big Danny]

Indeed, it is a prety long recovery and in most of the cases the muscle will never come back to the initial shape. But you will definetly be back on training once it is healed.
I have found for you an interesting post of one of our mates, struggling with a different muscle after injury but with the same king of a problem:
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17890&highlight=ruptured+muscle

 

[Kahn]

What were you doing leading up to the tear? Were you doing exhausting work with it or overloading it or stretching the hell out of it or what? Thats scarey shit, I hope you aren't a professional fighter.

 

[Grunt76]

Ideally you should start pinning IGF-1 the moment you wake up from surgery.

It will still help now but who knows how much. You can pin directly in the bicep when the cast is off.

Good luck.

 

[MMAFIGHTER]

Yeah Grunt i followed your protocall on the IGF as much as i could with a cast on and was able to pin it in the muscle but not real close to the incision. Weird and this could just be mental but i swear the finger nails on that arm grew way faster and longer than the other hand.

I was throwing a punch not completely warmed up when i tore it. Wasnt doing any lifting when it tore. I am indeed a professional fighter(locally, not UFC or anything) and my doctor seemed to think i would be able to fight by the end of Jan, i told him i would probably wait till about March.

I can tell the shape is going to be a little off but its not that bad really, plus its only a little out of shape when im flexing it.


Thanks guys for your responses and thanks Grunt for emailing me and giving me specifics on the IGF.

 

[Grunt76]

Yeah Grunt i followed your protocall on the IGF as much as i could with a cast on and was able to pin it in the muscle but not real close to the incision. Weird and this could just be mental but i swear the finger nails on that arm grew way faster and longer than the other hand.

I was throwing a punch not completely warmed up when i tore it. Wasnt doing any lifting when it tore. I am indeed a professional fighter(locally, not UFC or anything) and my doctor seemed to think i would be able to fight by the end of Jan, i told him i would probably wait till about March.

I can tell the shape is going to be a little off but its not that bad really, plus its only a little out of shape when im flexing it.


Thanks guys for your responses and thanks Grunt for emailing me and giving me specifics on the IGF.

Cool, glad to be of help.

 

[km2000]

Ideally you should start pinning IGF-1 the moment you wake up from surgery.

It will still help now but who knows how much. You can pin directly in the bicep when the cast is off.

Good luck.

hey bro, have you seen studys backing up this info? I have heard this about the igf but havent really seen any fact or evidense. if you have seen some good info please post it! thanks

 

[BeastNik]

Ive searched and searched for my kind of Bicep rupture all over the internet and cant find anything but bicep tendon tears. I tore my actual Bicep muscle, no tendons tore away from the bone or anything like that. I was talking to my doctor and he said it was like sewing hamburger meat back together. Is anyone familiar with this kind of muscle injury. I have one incision along the inside of my right bicep and the muscle is now really hard feeling? I had a cast on my arm that came up to my shoulder keeping it imobilized for 6 weeks.

Hopefully someone can give me some insight on the kind of recovery and whatnot to expect. He basicly just told me to stretch it out on my own and start lifting very very light and make sure i dont do any sudden jerking motions. He told me he didnt think i would need to go to physical therapy and since im an athlete he thinks i will do well enough on my own. Its just the thing is so tight and hard im scared ill tear it back apart the way he talked about it being like sewing hamburger meat back together.

Wow thats a bad injury. I've seen torn biceps happen watching worlds strongest man competitions, pretty ugly. But they always returned. I would guess you can't lift for awhile, and usually an injury like that ends up taking longer than expected to heal. I broke my femur and hip and was out of the gym for a long time, I believe it was over 6 monthes.

 

[Ashop]

Ideally you should start pinning IGF-1 the moment you wake up from surgery.

It will still help now but who knows how much. You can pin directly in the bicep when the cast is off.

Good luck.

Interesting idea,,,I work with friend athlete who just had similar tear. I will run this theory by him.

 

[Grunt76]

hey bro, have you seen studys backing up this info? I have heard this about the igf but havent really seen any fact or evidense. if you have seen some good info please post it! thanks

It is scientifically proven that the addition of IGF-1 causes an increase in tissue regeneration rate of the order of 300% to 500%. There are studies, medical evidence and more on that. I have read some, but I'm not going to the trouble of re-finding them article. I provide the information, you choose to apply it or seek additional proof. It's out there.

 

[MT]

I spar full contact in training once every month. Not to mention your body soaks up some very heavy blows from this. All athletes, especially those who compete in ring sports need to recognize the importance of deep tissue massage.

I do not know how long ago you sustained this injury, however once the healing is well under way you MUST go and get deep tissue work done. Any injury that the body sustains accumulates scar tissue and while stretching is beneficial, the only way to break down that scar tissue is through deep tissue massage.

A good deep tissue masseur/ masseuse is like gold dust, they are very hard to find. Try to get yourself one who has an understanding of the fascia.

Be warned this type of massage is not something that even the most sadistic of people would look forward to, it is VERY painful! However nothing in the world works quite like it.

Good luck with your recovery and report back to us to let us know how your getting on.

 

[allbeef]

Actually Bro

It is best to tear the muscle then tendons or ligaments. You are lucky! I am not sure it will be any weaker once it heals and it will heal rather rapidly. It is engorged with blood and all those good biochemical factors that repair tissue.

I had a calf muscle tear and while I still have a psychological fear of it tearing as I had somewhere around 1000 pounds on a sled at it collapsed rather quickly upon me when the muscle popped,( It tore but you heard this pop when it did ) I am led to believe it is as strong as ever by my physical therapist. That was years ago when I was already getting old and today I max at about 900lbs, so we will never really know. But it didn't look any different whatsoever a year out. I believe it was about 4 months before I really started to put a lot of work on it, although i think it may heal withing 2 months.



Just my experience!

Allbeef

 

[hermes]

Bad day for both of us MMA...question IGFvsGH???

On last Tuesday, I was in the 6th rep of 275lb straight Bbell curls, when I tore either the tendon or inner head bicep in my left arm. I am awaiting a surgical consult, which is taking forever with the holiday approaching, but my chiropractor palpitated and believes I have a muscle tear (pretty freaky peak too, unusual to see on my powerlifter type bicep). So I read with interest the thread and linked thread.

Question...why IGF1 (and I assume you mean r3IGF???) instead of just GH? Thanks guys.

 

[Grunt76]

On last Tuesday, I was in the 6th rep of 275lb straight Bbell curls, when I tore either the tendon or inner head bicep in my left arm. I am awaiting a surgical consult, which is taking forever with the holiday approaching, but my chiropractor palpitated and believes I have a muscle tear (pretty freaky peak too, unusual to see on my powerlifter type bicep). So I read with interest the thread and linked thread.

Question...why IGF1 (and I assume you mean r3IGF???) instead of just GH? Thanks guys.

Long R3 IGF-1 is simply much more potent short-term than hGH, whose anabolic action on muscle is mediated through hIGF-1 anyways. You are concerned with SPEED of healing, and that is why you go with IGF. If for example you have cartilage damage, the need for IGF vs GH is much lessened, since cartilage doesn't heal quickly no matter what you do. So GH is good for such a case. With a bicep tear, you can inject directly in the muscle and get a simply HUGE healing boost that you could never get with GH.

And... 275lb curls? Damn, I don't know what Marius Pudzianowski curls, but I would be surprised if it is even that.

 

[Kahn]

275 got my attention, too. Is that right? I'dlike to see videoof that one.

Grunt76, I checked the forum out but there a a ton of locked areas I wanted to get into to read and learn. Is there something I am missing? I see admin wants 10 posts but I can't post shit not knowing shit. I'm interested in learning about peg mgf and the lr3. What are your recommendations? You can PM me if you'd prefer.

 

[Grunt76]

275 got my attention, too. Is that right? I'dlike to see videoof that one.

Grunt76, I checked the forum out but there a a ton of locked areas I wanted to get into to read and learn. Is there something I am missing? I see admin wants 10 posts but I can't post shit not knowing shit. I'm interested in learning about peg mgf and the lr3. What are your recommendations? You can PM me if you'd prefer.

There are no locked areas besides the Vet & Mod sections. You can post in the introductions forum, and say hi...

 

[hermes]

thanks Grunt, but still a hair confused..

I followed your post until you used IGF after mentioning R3 IGF in the first line. IGF1 and R3 IGF are different. "If you are concerned with the SPEED of healing you should go with IGF." Did you mean to say R3 IGF??? I take it you are recommending R3IGF injected locally, rather than IGF1 injected locally. Is that correct? I asked a friend of mine who is a builder and a PhD candidate in moll. biology whether GH or R3IGF or IGF1 were better. He responded as a scientist would and said that there were no clinical trials on R3IGF and suggested IGF1 plus GH.

"The exact IGF-1 form that mediates collagen synthesis is not known, and there could be a synergistic effect with GH. Local variations between different tendons could exist where IGF-1 is inmportant in one case for repair, but another factor is important for another...studies in animals have shown that IGF-1 treatment does speed up tendon repair (...in the achilles tendon)."

But he is talking about IGF-1 not R3IGF

I always hesitate to post poundages which I know some will view as not credible. I don't know what Pudzi curls, but he outpresses me. I am a 350lb (30% bodyfat kind of) powerlifter. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses and one of my strengths is (was???) curling. There is a still shot of me with a 140lb hammer curl on my yahoo360 page (quads_32). If I ever get back what I've lost, and thanks to you Grunt and the other recommendations that will happen, you are welcome to come up to Maine for squat day(we do 1/2 hours worth of arms at the end) to see for your self...and it is beautiful in the summer!

Thanks again!

 

[Grunt76]

IGF-1 is IGF-1. At the cell level, the effects are the same no matter if it is hIGF-1 or Long R3 IGF-1. For all practical purposes, we use Long R3 because it is available and effective. Actually, there are no reasons to use the hIGF-1 natural form. So I just post IGF-1 all the time and when the time comes to talk of the difference, then I will post hIGF-1 and Long R3 IGF-1. But, again, at the cell level, the effects are the same. I am not stating that hGH will be useless in your case. It is beneficial to healing EVERYTHING but it is fairly slow acting. If you can do both GH and IGF, I would do that. The IGF will do most of the healing quick and you can inject it directly in the bicep. The GH will provide longer term tissue support.

Now, all that being said, you talk of a MUSCLE injury, not a TENDON injury. For such a case, hGH will have just about no additional benefit to IGF-1.

And yeah bro, I love Maine, it's nice there. The prettiest Ms. O ever, Laura Creavalle, lives there.

So I stand by my recommendation, please keep us posted on your progress.

 

[hermes]

Thanks for the clarification. I await the surgical evaluation. It is best not to get injured during a pre holiday week is what I've learned. The 2 best ortho. offices are in Portland. Had I gone to emergency I'd have had it fixed but I chose to wait for the best available. Fact is I don't know whether it is muscle or tendon. The chiropractor can feel the tendon on palpitation but I guess a picture is worth a thousand words.

Again, thanks for your help!