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emeric delczeg

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Next time you try this for your biceps.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgX4UymgCDo"]Jim Chelossi's Pre-Bootcamp.com: arm training using Emeric Delczeg's system - YouTube[/ame]
 

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The concept is good but not going to work very well if you're working out solo:p
 

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I train alone but I do also Like the concept. It's hard for me to find a good partner
 

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I don't like people so I'm stuck with myself:banghead::cool::p

The only thing I can think is doing preacher db curls and push the weight down on the negative with one arm and fight against it with the db arm. This method is also great on the seated calf raise especially for people with no friends ;):D

Or you could do what I do and pick the prettiest girl in the gym and ask her to help you :)
 

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I wonder, if you could find the right length elastic bands you could attach those to the bar and it would provide something similar. The trick would be to find the right length. Perhaps attach band to the weight on the machine and put the other end attached to the floor.
 
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The only thing I can think is doing preacher db curls and push the weight down on the negative with one arm and fight against it with the db arm. This method is also great on the seated calf raise especially for people with no friends ;):D

Or you could do what I do and pick the prettiest girl in the gym and ask her to help you :)

Yes.
 

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I wonder, if you could find the right length elastic bands you could attach those to the bar and it would provide something similar. The trick would be to find the right length. Perhaps attach band to the weight on the machine and put the other end attached to the floor.

Yes, that is on other way, I like to use the weights so I can kip record on how much stronger I become. With rubber bends is hard to kip record, but is better than just regular lifting.
 

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The only thing I can think is doing preacher db curls and push the weight down on the negative with one arm and fight against it with the db arm. This method is also great on the seated calf raise especially for people with no friends ;):D

Or you could do what I do and pick the prettiest girl in the gym and ask her to help you :)

Also you can use the same concept on cable pushdown triceps one arm, you can press down with your other hand on the weight stack.
 

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Good logic just not well executed, certainly a smart guy. Like the concepts of time under tension and working the long and short ranges, that's why I always do three exercises per muscle minimum. So you hit the long the middle and the short
 

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The only thing I can think is doing preacher db curls and push the weight down on the negative with one arm and fight against it with the db arm. This method is also great on the seated calf raise especially for people with no friends ;):D

Or you could do what I do and pick the prettiest girl in the gym and ask her to help you :)

This is way too much faffing. First thing first I don't have these sort of machines in my gym which takes plate loading it's either dumbells and barbells or machine wt stacks with pins so you can't unload anything in the eccentric phase. It need to be put back on the stack before changing wt as we all know.

Also there are so many other advanced training techniques one can employ other then this without needing someone to stand right next to you during your whole set.

Also I have trained arms every way possible and the best pump and results are achived (imo) while training arms (bi , tris) as a one medium size muscle group. so I don't think they are two muscles they are one for me and I ALWAYS train them in superset fashion. Doing a straight bis exe and then resting and doing another and eating and so on is so boring for me. I tend to stack a heavy duty move with a not too taxing move so for ex barbell curls with reverse push downs for recipes , close grip smith bench with preacher curls. rest only when I need to.

I really believe if you train this method your body gets accustomed to withstand this Taunami's of lactic acid.

In he beginning years ago I had to rest in between properly or the wt lifted / reps suffered but with time my arms think

"hey this is normal - This is how we work now- no problem "

I put one of my training partners on this and who trained biceps first or triceps first and dude was in mega pain and achieved massive pump. He had to ask me, I need to stop can't continue but he is getting well used to it. I could ever see me doing straight sets again. I have tried and it's not challenging. My arms crave for brutality and I end up going back to this routine.




I don't like people so I'm stuck with myself:banghead::cool::p

So K1 you don't like mere mortal human interaction. lol I like that.
 
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Good logic just not well executed, certainly a smart guy. Like the concepts of time under tension and working the long and short ranges, that's why I always do three exercises per muscle minimum. So you hit the long the middle and the short

There are many good training system and they all will build muscle. Long as you using weight you will build muscles.
 

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This is way too much faffing. First thing first I don't have these sort of machines in my gym which takes plate loading it's either dumbells and barbells or machine wt stacks with pins so you can't unload anything in the eccentric phase. It need to be put back on the stack before changing wt as we all know.

Also there are so many other advanced training techniques one can employ other then this without needing someone to stand right next to you during your whole set.

Also I have trained arms every way possible and the best pump and results are achived (imo) while training arms (bi , tris) as a one medium size muscle group. so I don't think they are two muscles they are one for me and I ALWAYS train them in superset fashion. Doing a straight bis exe and then resting and doing another and eating and so on is so boring for me. I tend to stack a heavy duty move with a not too taxing move so for ex barbell curls with reverse push downs for recipes , close grip smith bench with preacher curls. rest only when I need to.

I really believe if you train this method your body gets accustomed to withstand this Taunami's of lactic acid.

In he beginning years ago I had to rest in between properly or the wt lifted / reps suffered but with time my arms think

"hey this is normal - This is how we work now- no problem "

I put one of my training partners on this and who trained biceps first or triceps first and dude was in mega pain and achieved massive pump. He had to ask me, I need to stop can't continue but he is getting well used to it. I could ever see me doing straight sets again. I have tried and it's not challenging. My arms crave for brutality and I end up going back to this routine.

99% of my training is just basic heavy weight for different rep ranges (generally 6 to 15 for most exercises). But incorporating systems that add weight/resistance to the negative portion of the rep is only a great thing. I train alone so I can't do much but if I had a regular training partner I would definitely be adding things in. Even just having your training partner push down on a machine can add a lot. The problem is most people don't have a clue and can't even spot you properly on bench. Plus you say you can't do straight sets but just because you add resistence during a set doesn't mean you can't still superset. I think 9/10 of my arm sessions I superset bi-ceps with tri-ceps. I very rarely take longer than 30 seconds rest between sets unless I have gone super heavy or I have done a tri or giant set. If you look in my log it's not uncommon for me to do over 50 sets in an hour some days.
 

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The older I get the more I concentrate on the negative and isolating a movement.

The future of hypertrophy and strength training is most likely in machines built functionally for any movement in which the muscle can be totally exhausted to complete stasis, with 20-40% on the negative and a drop in resistance over the curve as the strength decay due to muscle exhaustion and fatigue.

Polquin was the first to influence my training with his discussions on tempo, and then later dante with his training system which highlighted multi second negatives along with RP's and low sets.

I know most people will disregard tempo or slow controlled negatives highlighting super freaks like Warren and Coleman that worked out like the fast n furious.

But most of us with even good or great genetics can't get by like that.
 

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The older I get the more I concentrate on the negative and isolating a movement.

The future of hypertrophy and strength training is most likely in machines built functionally for any movement in which the muscle can be totally exhausted to complete stasis, with 20-40% on the negative and a drop in resistance over the curve as the strength decay due to muscle exhaustion and fatigue.


Polquin was the first to influence my training with his discussions on tempo, and then later dante with his training system which highlighted multi second negatives along with RP's and low sets.

I know most people will disregard tempo or slow controlled negatives highlighting super freaks like Warren and Coleman that worked out like the fast n furious.

But most of us with even good or great genetics can't get by like that.

I trained on these back in mid 1995 or so at a local YMCA that had them in a key card room, they were there for rehab and PT, not for bodybuilders like me self. My friend was a trainer there and got me in a few times at odd hours and they were some of the most intense work outs I had had in terms of completely exhausting the muscle. Granted free weight work outs would have to be mixed in - but damn killer row curl and chest and delt presses.

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99% of my training is just basic heavy weight for different rep ranges (generally 6 to 15 for most exercises). But incorporating systems that add weight/resistance to the negative portion of the rep is only a great thing. I train alone so I can't do much but if I had a regular training partner I would definitely be adding things in. Even just having your training partner push down on a machine can add a lot. The problem is most people don't have a clue and can't even spot you properly on bench. Plus you say you can't do straight sets but just because you add resistence during a set doesn't mean you can't still superset. I think 9/10 of my arm sessions I superset bi-ceps with tri-ceps. I very rarely take longer than 30 seconds rest between sets unless I have gone super heavy or I have done a tri or giant set. If you look in my log it's not uncommon for me to do over 50 sets in an hour some days.

I know mate, you are a little Gaspari in the gym having a heart attack with your fast and furious intensity in your 45 min marathon sessions lol

The thing is in superset fashion adding negative can be done like you said but it can get really taxing in the mix resulting in much more rest period IMO. Also I do tend to get carried away with advanced tech to extend sets. Back in the day I use to do negatives and forced reps a lot and I ended up overtraining. We were young and enthusiastic so over deployed them. Especially negatives can stress CNS a lot I have read and even if they are used they need to be used sparingly/ selectively not too much. Knowing myself I know I will end up overdoing shit lol

May be I will do it at some point in next week or so. very very selectively on max 2 sets and not get carried away with them.
 

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