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Bigger, better, leaner - 2023 onward, postcontest

Wish i had some updates for ya.

Been battling sickness since Saturday. Hit my chest/shoulders day and just felt a head cold and horse voice all day.
Since sunday ive just felt like shit trying to sleep and rest up. Much needed though. I was at that point where motivation was waning a lil bit. Now, after 3 days off from everything, im readyyyy to get back in. Stilll feel like dog shit though.

Also, ive noticed that smoking weed actually hinders my immune system. If im already fighting something, getting high seems to keep me down for longer. But still getting my meals in.
 
Yep insane. I was just talking about the stage weight. I think the total gain that year was like 30-40lbs of stage weight which is insane. It can differ year to year, but i always take 40lbs as that buffer between offseason and stage ready. I was/am a Jordan follower and had been a member on his site since 2017. Even his old posts on here are great.
I actually remember you from the forum haha

Jordan was my first coach but I don't think he uses this methodology with his clients.

Have you ever made a big jump like that? The ex-fat kid in me has a hard time letting go off abs completely but the old dante posts and lots of anecdotal evidence im debating if its worth it.
 
I actually remember you from the forum haha

Jordan was my first coach but I don't think he uses this methodology with his clients.

Have you ever made a big jump like that? The ex-fat kid in me has a hard time letting go off abs completely but the old dante posts and lots of anecdotal evidence im debating if its worth it.
LOL crazy. Felt like a long time ago. Thats when he reaaallly started to collect a following. He had new videos posted up every week.
Honestly, i chatted with Corinne for awhile about hiring her as a coach. I mean, she did Jordan's adjustments and diet for yearss and basically create the beast. That's exactly why i wanted her. Just tell me what to do and ill do it. Honestly, Justin replied to my emails quicker haha
Wouldve loved to have Jordan or her look over me though.

And this probably IS my jump. In that offseason, Jordan did a 75lb jump. This is my 65lb jump. Im hoping this season is a legit 15lb jump in overall stage ready tissue.
 
I will shock both of you and DanielTX with this. And I have had long convo's with Jordan to try the same thing. I know you cannot do it right now because of the phase you are in....but if you ever have a chance both you and DanielTX should try something that I think will shock both of you in the short term...that your waist is not as wide and blocky as you think it is.

Lets say you have a slight injury or I dont know a little burnout or just want a few weeks of training lighter and/or sick of eating and just need a short break.

Do this sporadically:

1 ) Do floor vacuums...lay on your back with your legs straight and blow out all your air, and then for a count of 15, suck in your waistline (while laying on your back) as deep as you can while simultaneously raising your arms overhead, thats the first 10 count and the last count of five dig your heels into the floor and drag your legs upward until your knees are raised and your heels are somewhat near your butt. Do not do the "heels in floor raise" hardcore, just gently do it the last 5 count...dont dig your heels into the carpet (or whatever really hard). Do sets of 8 reps when you can...one set thats all you need. Maybe 2-3x a week, floor vacuums, set of 8 reps, internal count of 15 (secs or shorter), deep vaccums, hands go overhead, knees get pulled up last 5 (seconds or so)....watch out on the first rep if you are breathing heavy from another exercise, that count of 15 is going to seem like an eternity and youll feel like you are going to die from lack of oxygen, rep 2-8 will be much easier. Watch what training the transversus abdominis does over a short amount of time...you are going to get deep ridges in your front abdominal wall you did not have before....

2) Do this....Take your best bodypart that doesnt need to improve greatly and that has a day off training wise after it. Hopefully maybe its legs or back or maybe arms....... train them and then for the next 24 hours take in nothing but an abundance of fluid (you can take in Mio or whatever flavored water you want or ice tea with monk fruit or etc) but nothing in the way of anything that has any caloric value. Just fluid. Fast for the next 24 hours....it will be tough but drink drink drink fluid......This will really work well if you train in the morning...then fast for 24 hours with nothing but fluid...and then wake up (on your day off) and take a look at yourself. Both you and Daniel will have the most sucked in waist you have ever seen and you'll be shocked at how much smaller your waist is and how awesome you look when you wake up (especially coupled with vacuums)....So much smaller in the waist i bet both of you are going to be pretty astonished that you can be that big with that small of a waist. You will look like a million dollars at that very point and you might think of it as something to play with for "vacations, appearances, even competing"...and to this day i still dont know why prep coaches do not develop a fasting competing protocol...their competitors will be devoid of water, lean as hell with a tiny waist up on stage and still rather full especially if they figured out the right amount of carbs to take in all week prior to the fast.....you will not be flat...you'll look awesome. Then break the 24 hour fast and eat as much as you want of good bbing food and youll be back on schedule.

Again this is only if whatever is going on in your life at that very moment allows it.

But i swear to god both you and Daniel will get up from bed after a long fast with liquid and say "Holy shit, Dante was right, I am still really full, vascular as all hell and my waist is the tiniest I have ever seen it at this size and bodyweight".....I promise you that.
 
I will shock both of you and DanielTX with this. And I have had long convo's with Jordan to try the same thing. I know you cannot do it right now because of the phase you are in....but if you ever have a chance both you and DanielTX should try something that I think will shock both of you in the short term...that your waist is not as wide and blocky as you think it is.

Lets say you have a slight injury or I dont know a little burnout or just want a few weeks of training lighter and/or sick of eating and just need a short break.

Do this sporadically:

1 ) Do floor vacuums...lay on your back with your legs straight and blow out all your air, and then for a count of 15, suck in your waistline (while laying on your back) as deep as you can while simultaneously raising your arms overhead, thats the first 10 count and the last count of five dig your heels into the floor and drag your legs upward until your knees are raised and your heels are somewhat near your butt. Do not do the "heels in floor raise" hardcore, just gently do it the last 5 count...dont dig your heels into the carpet (or whatever really hard). Do sets of 8 reps when you can...one set thats all you need. Maybe 2-3x a week, floor vacuums, set of 8 reps, internal count of 15 (secs or shorter), deep vaccums, hands go overhead, knees get pulled up last 5 (seconds or so)....watch out on the first rep if you are breathing heavy from another exercise, that count of 15 is going to seem like an eternity and youll feel like you are going to die from lack of oxygen, rep 2-8 will be much easier. Watch what training the transversus abdominis does over a short amount of time...you are going to get deep ridges in your front abdominal wall you did not have before....

2) Do this....Take your best bodypart that doesnt need to improve greatly and that has a day off training wise after it. Hopefully maybe its legs or back or maybe arms....... train them and then for the next 24 hours take in nothing but an abundance of fluid (you can take in Mio or whatever flavored water you want or ice tea with monk fruit or etc) but nothing in the way of anything that has any caloric value. Just fluid. Fast for the next 24 hours....it will be tough but drink drink drink fluid......This will really work well if you train in the morning...then fast for 24 hours with nothing but fluid...and then wake up (on your day off) and take a look at yourself. Both you and Daniel will have the most sucked in waist you have ever seen and you'll be shocked at how much smaller your waist is and how awesome you look when you wake up (especially coupled with vacuums)....So much smaller in the waist i bet both of you are going to be pretty astonished that you can be that big with that small of a waist. You will look like a million dollars at that very point and you might think of it as something to play with for "vacations, appearances, even competing"...and to this day i still dont know why prep coaches do not develop a fasting competing protocol...their competitors will be devoid of water, lean as hell with a tiny waist up on stage and still rather full especially if they figured out the right amount of carbs to take in all week prior to the fast.....you will not be flat...you'll look awesome. Then break the 24 hour fast and eat as much as you want of good bbing food and youll be back on schedule.

Again this is only if whatever is going on in your life at that very moment allows it.

But i swear to god both you and Daniel will get up from bed after a long fast with liquid and say "Holy shit, Dante was right, I am still really full, vascular as all hell and my waist is the tiniest I have ever seen it at this size and bodyweight".....I promise you that.
Always appreciate the customized information - I you don't do this for many!
 
@DOGGCRAPP while you are here, I was wondering if you still abide by pushing up hard heavy gainig a bit of fluff in the off season to make the fastest pogression in stage weight? I read through a lot of your articles (specially higher protein intakes) and this is the fastest i've ever grown. Or have your stance changed over the years? Appreciate all the goldmine of information you put out on this forum some even over a decade a ago!
I actually remember you from the forum haha

Jordan was my first coach but I don't think he uses this methodology with his clients.

Have you ever made a big jump like that? The ex-fat kid in me has a hard time letting go off abs completely but the old dante posts and lots of anecdotal evidence im debating if its worth it.
 
@DOGGCRAPP while you are here, I was wondering if you still abide by pushing up hard heavy gainig a bit of fluff in the off season to make the fastest pogression in stage weight? I read through a lot of your articles (specially higher protein intakes) and this is the fastest i've ever grown. Or have your stance changed over the years? Appreciate all the goldmine of information you put out on this forum some even over a decade a ago!
No I would like to pass on giving my opinions on things...this is theotherone55 blog....I just wanted to jump in and throw a tidbit.
 
I will shock both of you and DanielTX with this. And I have had long convo's with Jordan to try the same thing. I know you cannot do it right now because of the phase you are in....but if you ever have a chance both you and DanielTX should try something that I think will shock both of you in the short term...that your waist is not as wide and blocky as you think it is.

Lets say you have a slight injury or I dont know a little burnout or just want a few weeks of training lighter and/or sick of eating and just need a short break.

Do this sporadically:

1 ) Do floor vacuums...lay on your back with your legs straight and blow out all your air, and then for a count of 15, suck in your waistline (while laying on your back) as deep as you can while simultaneously raising your arms overhead, thats the first 10 count and the last count of five dig your heels into the floor and drag your legs upward until your knees are raised and your heels are somewhat near your butt. Do not do the "heels in floor raise" hardcore, just gently do it the last 5 count...dont dig your heels into the carpet (or whatever really hard). Do sets of 8 reps when you can...one set thats all you need. Maybe 2-3x a week, floor vacuums, set of 8 reps, internal count of 15 (secs or shorter), deep vaccums, hands go overhead, knees get pulled up last 5 (seconds or so)....watch out on the first rep if you are breathing heavy from another exercise, that count of 15 is going to seem like an eternity and youll feel like you are going to die from lack of oxygen, rep 2-8 will be much easier. Watch what training the transversus abdominis does over a short amount of time...you are going to get deep ridges in your front abdominal wall you did not have before....

2) Do this....Take your best bodypart that doesnt need to improve greatly and that has a day off training wise after it. Hopefully maybe its legs or back or maybe arms....... train them and then for the next 24 hours take in nothing but an abundance of fluid (you can take in Mio or whatever flavored water you want or ice tea with monk fruit or etc) but nothing in the way of anything that has any caloric value. Just fluid. Fast for the next 24 hours....it will be tough but drink drink drink fluid......This will really work well if you train in the morning...then fast for 24 hours with nothing but fluid...and then wake up (on your day off) and take a look at yourself. Both you and Daniel will have the most sucked in waist you have ever seen and you'll be shocked at how much smaller your waist is and how awesome you look when you wake up (especially coupled with vacuums)....So much smaller in the waist i bet both of you are going to be pretty astonished that you can be that big with that small of a waist. You will look like a million dollars at that very point and you might think of it as something to play with for "vacations, appearances, even competing"...and to this day i still dont know why prep coaches do not develop a fasting competing protocol...their competitors will be devoid of water, lean as hell with a tiny waist up on stage and still rather full especially if they figured out the right amount of carbs to take in all week prior to the fast.....you will not be flat...you'll look awesome. Then break the 24 hour fast and eat as much as you want of good bbing food and youll be back on schedule.

Again this is only if whatever is going on in your life at that very moment allows it.

But i swear to god both you and Daniel will get up from bed after a long fast with liquid and say "Holy shit, Dante was right, I am still really full, vascular as all hell and my waist is the tiniest I have ever seen it at this size and bodyweight".....I promise you that.
This is great advice and ill definite try it Dante 🙏
Appreciate you chiming in on here.

What's weird is back in the day when DatBTrue had his own board, i would always mess around with some 24hr fasts after the biggest refeeds. So get blasting full...and then nothing but Crystal Light for 24hrs. The fast would be from one dinner to the next dinner. So by the time i broke a fast, i just had one BBing food dinner, nothing crazy, then sleep. But the following morning i'd look freaking greatttt. I was carrying muuuch less muscle mass at that time. But just the overall stomach flatness and loss of bloat was fantastic. I know JM was incorporating some fasting into his practices toward the end there, just as a break from digestion. So im definitely gonna try this. As far as vacuums, its pretty much mandatory for me as i diet to immediately start doing daily rounds of vacuums — but this floor version with OH arms and knees pulled up sounds difficult, which i like haha. Definitely going to use these.

Its MIGHT be the wrong game, but i've always played the, "get fucking big and push food" offseason route and then kinda had to, as Jordan used to put it, "tidy up" once it was diet time. Tidy up to me usually means get a little bit more control of my stomach. Meaning daily vacuums and control work.
 
LEGS/ADDUCTORS
Seated leg curl - feeder sets up to top set back off
Adductor machine - 2x15 heavy sets
Jack squat - build up to top set of 15 deep hard reps. Maybe 3-4 set of heavy sets up to top.
Hack ballet reps - 2x20
Bulgarian SS - MR set to crush my legs
Standing calves - 4x15

Sunday legs are a bitch because no gym opens up early. So I have to waittt for golds to open at 7 to get it in. All good tho, pounding food as it’s a high day. Because I started the morning late, I basically sip 20g of carbs from a Gatorade every hour or so. That, some clean cereal like Rice Chex, lots of white rice in general. And then maybe tonight I throw in an “off meal” which might be pasta with meat and meat sauce.

Have to do one little kids bday party with my fam but I’ll bring a couple meals with me to that. These are our “kid friends” couples and they know I’m eating every 2 hrs so it’s expected. Just chillin and lookin at the Toronto Pro prejudging pics and I make my meals
 
LEGS/ADDUCTORS
Seated leg curl - feeder sets up to top set back off
Adductor machine - 2x15 heavy sets
Jack squat - build up to top set of 15 deep hard reps. Maybe 3-4 set of heavy sets up to top.
Hack ballet reps - 2x20
Bulgarian SS - MR set to crush my legs
Standing calves - 4x15

Sunday legs are a bitch because no gym opens up early. So I have to waittt for golds to open at 7 to get it in. All good tho, pounding food as it’s a high day. Because I started the morning late, I basically sip 20g of carbs from a Gatorade every hour or so. That, some clean cereal like Rice Chex, lots of white rice in general. And then maybe tonight I throw in an “off meal” which might be pasta with meat and meat sauce.

Have to do one little kids bday party with my fam but I’ll bring a couple meals with me to that. These are our “kid friends” couples and they know I’m eating every 2 hrs so it’s expected. Just chillin and lookin at the Toronto Pro prejudging pics and I make my meals
This reminds me of when Nick Walker took his chicken and rice meal to his own birthday lol whatever it takes mentality.
 
This reminds me of when Nick Walker took his chicken and rice meal to his own birthday lol whatever it takes mentality.
Everrrrything depends on the calories man.
Once the force-feeding card is pulled, you're in no man's land lol
I remember living in NYC and i spent years being single and dating and keeping myself in the 230 8-12% range.
Big and lean by regular dude standards...but i could hold that based off on hunger. I didnt have to reallly time meals and i could eat freely like that. And to get past that point meant pushing past hunger and just making sure i had food on the go all the time.
Not sure why that exact moment stuck in my head but it did lol
It was like, "oh, just fucking around and lifting hard and eating high protein i can hold this...but i wanna be bigger and leaner..."
 
Arms yesterday, off/cardio today. 321.1
319-323 based on whether its a low/med/high day.

Im not quite sure if its gonna be a problemmm...but i have diastasis recti and it was annoying the fuck outa me laterly.
Im honestly not sure WHEN i got this, but it probably was sometime over the past year. I just noticed my intra abdominal pressure and bracing felt off, doing dumb things. AND doing crunch movements felt unstable. i could do them, but i'd cramp really bad, no matter electrolytes or fluid or anything. SOmething basically saying, stop doing this shit. The only ab work i'd been able to do was vacuum holds and diff types of that for timed sessions. Still good but i had always done someee crunch work in the past. And the dead give away was doing a crunch and what's called "coning" being pushed through the middle of your abs...like a shark fin. ive basically torn or separated my middle adominals. Happens to pregnant women LOL or weight lifters. Usually from incorrect breathing and bracing doing hard movements. IM sure its a mix of big eating and heavy leg training. It can definitely have some impacts on the loook of the waist when dieted down, guess well see when we see. There is surgical procedures for it but they dont seem to be too helpful or useful. And we wont know how baaddd it is till im lean lean. Whats weird is when i did crunches and would immediate seize up to cramps, the ONLY way to feel better was pushing all my pressure outtt to distend and stretch the cramp out. Counterintuitive and im thinking that might make it worse...fuck, stop doing crunches lol ill keep monitoring it during this offseason to see what we can do here.

ARMS was good. They are boring but i need them, so that keeps me motivated. IM an all pump guys. Superset basically everything. As much blood in as humanly possible, 3-4 hard squeeze sets per exercise. 12-16 total sets for me.

Cardio is my HIIT stuff on the stepmill. I usually throw 10-20 mins of fast walking in as well.
 
I believe you're around my age and I know you've been at this even longer than me - how's your appetite been the last few years?

Mine's declined some over the last two years as it does for most guys at this point. I'm actually eating more than I ever have but I don't get the insane, ravenous hunger like I used to.
 
I believe you're around my age and I know you've been at this even longer than me - how's your appetite been the last few years?

Mine's declined some over the last two years as it does for most guys at this point. I'm actually eating more than I ever have but I don't get the insane, ravenous hunger like I used to.
Yep, we are. Its meh. I mean when im lean vs when im big is such a huuuge difference its crazy.
Like im eating the mosttt but im pretty tapped out appetite wise. I usually relay all this to Justin during the year.
And we know stuff is in sync when im hungry all the time, and im still lean. You just become more receptive to food and digestion.
But as insulin sensitivity dies a bit, appetite does too and you just get tapped out fully.

I told him this checkin that im kinda tapped out. I can get it all down but its a challenge regardless of day. His response was one that was expected ... keeping 320 decently lean isss a job and its always gonna be a challenge. There is no EASY way to keep that. Weve had times where we pull back a bit. Drop a high day or two, allowing myself to get hungry again before hitting the gas again. Just not in the cards at this time. Ive been over 300 since January so i think these next months are just to let this shit settle a bit. Probably not add food. And im ok with being in the "hold" zone. The me of the past probably wouldve been too anxious and wanted to do something, make progress somewhere. Cut or gain. No point of sitting and waiting. But i understand the benefits now
 
Arms yesterday, off/cardio today. 321.1
319-323 based on whether its a low/med/high day.

Im not quite sure if its gonna be a problemmm...but i have diastasis recti and it was annoying the fuck outa me laterly.
Im honestly not sure WHEN i got this, but it probably was sometime over the past year. I just noticed my intra abdominal pressure and bracing felt off, doing dumb things. AND doing crunch movements felt unstable. i could do them, but i'd cramp really bad, no matter electrolytes or fluid or anything. SOmething basically saying, stop doing this shit. The only ab work i'd been able to do was vacuum holds and diff types of that for timed sessions. Still good but i had always done someee crunch work in the past. And the dead give away was doing a crunch and what's called "coning" being pushed through the middle of your abs...like a shark fin. ive basically torn or separated my middle adominals. Happens to pregnant women LOL or weight lifters. Usually from incorrect breathing and bracing doing hard movements. IM sure its a mix of big eating and heavy leg training. It can definitely have some impacts on the loook of the waist when dieted down, guess well see when we see. There is surgical procedures for it but they dont seem to be too helpful or useful. And we wont know how baaddd it is till im lean lean. Whats weird is when i did crunches and would immediate seize up to cramps, the ONLY way to feel better was pushing all my pressure outtt to distend and stretch the cramp out. Counterintuitive and im thinking that might make it worse...fuck, stop doing crunches lol ill keep monitoring it during this offseason to see what we can do here.

ARMS was good. They are boring but i need them, so that keeps me motivated. IM an all pump guys. Superset basically everything. As much blood in as humanly possible, 3-4 hard squeeze sets per exercise. 12-16 total sets for me.

Cardio is my HIIT stuff on the stepmill. I usually throw 10-20 mins of fast walking in as well.
I have dia as well. Try to strengthen your TVA with dead bugs, hollow body holds etc. Helps a lot with the look/stability.
 
Yep, we are. Its meh. I mean when im lean vs when im big is such a huuuge difference its crazy.
Like im eating the mosttt but im pretty tapped out appetite wise. I usually relay all this to Justin during the year.
And we know stuff is in sync when im hungry all the time, and im still lean. You just become more receptive to food and digestion.
But as insulin sensitivity dies a bit, appetite does too and you just get tapped out fully.

I told him this checkin that im kinda tapped out. I can get it all down but its a challenge regardless of day. His response was one that was expected ... keeping 320 decently lean isss a job and its always gonna be a challenge. There is no EASY way to keep that. Weve had times where we pull back a bit. Drop a high day or two, allowing myself to get hungry again before hitting the gas again. Just not in the cards at this time. Ive been over 300 since January so i think these next months are just to let this shit settle a bit. Probably not add food. And im ok with being in the "hold" zone. The me of the past probably wouldve been too anxious and wanted to do something, make progress somewhere. Cut or gain. No point of sitting and waiting. But i understand the benefits now
Are you guys using Mk2677 to try and keep the appetite going or just pushing through it?
 
Are you guys using Mk2677 to try and keep the appetite going or just pushing through it?
Just pushing thru man. I’m tempted to try something like GHRP 6 tho. I only reason I wouldn’t use MK is I bloat and look like a water balloon on that stuff. The water weight is tooo much for me. Downside of ghrps is the injections tho.
 
Just pushing thru man. I’m tempted to try something like GHRP 6 tho. I only reason I wouldn’t use MK is I bloat and look like a water balloon on that stuff. The water weight is tooo much for me. Downside of ghrps is the injections tho.
Honestly when I wash pushing my most food this past progressive phase (which was a lot for me) I really couldn’t tell the difference when I took either of them. I think when you’re at that point it’s more mental than anything. You just know you have to eat it.

Some guys swear by them though so was curious your take.
 

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