Blood Pressure?

[Strider]

I was taking 0.8mL of test400 twice a week for a while, and everything was fine, then I got lazy and decided to just take 1mL twice week. The first shot was fine, but after the second shot problems started. I took the shot Saturday, then when Iwas training hamstrings on Sunday I had to stop my workout because of the intense pounding in my head. I wanted to continue and I could have, but I was scared I might kill myself so I stopped. Pain started on my second exercise, stiff-legs, and I had to stop my last set because it was too much. I wasn't able to workout for the next few days, even though I was taking clonidine to manage my bp. Finally had a decent workout on thursday and friday morning, but then I ran out of the clonidine, and the headaches returned. My question is this, I haven't taken another shot since that saturday a week ago, I still have a slight headache today. When can I take my next shot? Obviously I'll be going back down to 0.8mL.

 

[Enanthanator]

What was your blood pressure?

 

[Strider]

This Saturday morning, I checked it at 140 over 70 roughly on average. I didn't actually get the chance to check it myself until then because I was working night shifts at the gym all week, and my girls parents called to say that the doctor was giving her mom a year to live without a bone marrow transplant, and a bunch of other shit happened. I know that 140 is high and that was almost a whole week after the problem started. I've got a doctor's appointment tomorrow afternoon. At this point I'm waiting till I get some info from the doc, problem is that I don't really trust her anymore. Last week she saw me, checked my bp, said it was normal. I told her I'd taken the clonidine which lowers bp, and she told me to come back when I wasn't taking it. I explained the intense throbbing pain I had if I didn't take it and she just said come back. I checked the internet and it says to see a doc IMMEDIATELY if you experience that type of problem from bp. Obviously if my bp is normal with a medication that lowers it, then it stands to reason that it is high without the medication no? Oh well, I just have to stay calm and not do anything physical until my appointment I guess. I suppose I answered my own question at least temporarily. I can't do anything until I get some info from the "doc".

 

[PHIL HERNON]

THE PROBLEM IS

YOU CANNOT FEEL HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE OR LOW BLOOD PRESSURE. SOMETHING ELSE IS CAUSING IT. IS THE BAR TOO HIGH ON YOUR BACK WHEN YOU SQUAT? DO YOU CLENCH YOUR TEETH WHEN LIFTING?

 

[Strider]

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High Blood Pressure:

Symptoms:

Usually, no symptoms are present. Occasionally, you may experience a mild headache. If your headache is severe, or if you experience any of the symptoms below, you must be seen by a doctor right away. These may be a sign of dangerously high blood pressure (called malignant hypertension) or a complication from high blood pressure.

tiredness
confusion
vision changes
angina-like chest pain (crushing chest pain)
heart failure
blood in urine
nosebleed
irregular heartbeat
ear noise or buzzing

 

[alan1973]

YOU CANNOT FEEL HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE OR LOW BLOOD PRESSURE. SOMETHING ELSE IS CAUSING IT. IS THE BAR TOO HIGH ON YOUR BACK WHEN YOU SQUAT? DO YOU CLENCH YOUR TEETH WHEN LIFTING?

but you can feel a high pulse rate.
after using tren and deca, my resting hR was over 100 and my BP was up to 170/110.
I am nolonger using after 4 weeks and I still have issues that the medication I am getting is not fixing 100%.
but once i feel better enough after this surgury for a ruptured bicep(which is why I have not contacted you Phil, yet for consultation) i plan to concentrate on my cardio since I think not doing enough was what was hurting me.

 

[alan1973]

**broken link removed**

High Blood Pressure:

Symptoms:

Usually, no symptoms are present. Occasionally, you may experience a mild headache. If your headache is severe, or if you experience any of the symptoms below, you must be seen by a doctor right away. These may be a sign of dangerously high blood pressure (called malignant hypertension) or a complication from high blood pressure.

tiredness
confusion
vision changes
angina-like chest pain (crushing chest pain)
heart failure
blood in urine
nosebleed
irregular heartbeat
ear noise or buzzing

i had all of the ones listed below:
tiredness
confusion
vision changes
angina-like chest pain (crushing chest pain)
nosebleed
irregular heartbeat
now taking Zestril 10 mg per day, but I don't think it is enough.

 

[Strider]

I've been lifting for 5 years and never had any problems before. I've tried to think if maybe I could have done something wrong, but what? I've had a consant headache since last Sunday, and if I am too active I get intemse throbbing pain. I can hear the blood pumping in my ears.

 

[Putin]

I wonder what the "normal" range BP for bodybuilders is. I mean, they hold more blood and water than a normal person, and put a lot of stress on their hearts to pump all that blood. I'd say the BP would be higher for a BB than a regular person, so there shouldnt be a "normal" comparison for the two. IMO.

 

[Strider]

I think I had an irregular heartbeat also, the doctor ordered an ECG done. I don't know if they'll have the results tomorrow or not. Funny thing is my heart rate is low according to her. She said maybe because I've always been an athlete. Don't know, apparently my mom's is low also. My dad had high bp and has been on medication for years for it.

 

[PHIL HERNON]

2 THINGS

IF YOU HAVE THOSE SYMPTOMS YOU
A. HAVE HAD HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND NEGLECTED IT ( OR NEVER KNEW)
B. ARE DYING

 

[Strider]

Honestly, I don't know if I've had problems for a long time or not. I've been to the doctor alot recently, I broke three ribs last august, so they've been taking my bp, but then the pain would interfere with the readings so who knows. I'm open to another diagnosis, I'm not saying I'm certain, but I know that I checked it at 140/70mmHg on Saturday morning which is high systolic, and the headache gets worse if I try and do anything much at all. Honestly I'm a little scared. I tried to go to the doctor today, but no appointments. My options are the emergency room, at this point I'm just staying home, staying relaxed, and waiting untill tomorrow afternoon. Maybe it's possible that I've always been high and the test just put me over the edge? As I said my father has high bp.

 

[palehorse51]

Are you staying well hydrated?

 

[Strider]

Yep, I'm drinkin' the water plenty. Doin' nutin' but sittin' here, eatin' n' drinkin' n' twiddlin' me thumbs.

 

[rubdub]

That's strange about the headaches at 140/70. I know that is high, but it isn't that high. When I'm on cycle (doesn't really matter what) my bp is about 135/85 - 140/90 and I never get headaches or any sides effects. I have a home monitor and check my bp 3 times a day and average them out.

I'm with Phil, that seems like another issue besides high bp.

"Malignant hypertension is a complication of hypertension characterized by very elevated blood pressure, and organ damage in the eyes, brain, lung and/or kidneys. It differs from other complications of hypertension in that it is accompanied by papilledema. Systolic and diastolic blood pressures are usually greater than 240 and 120, respectively."

Your 140/70 is nowhere near 240/120 (which is malignant hypertension). I would say see the doc without the meds and see what she says. You can always get a second opinion later.

 

[littlemack]

IF YOU HAVE THOSE SYMPTOMS YOU

B. ARE DYING

hahaha...That was funny Phil.


Strider, how do you know its not from a cold or allergies or a sinus headache? 140/70 is at the upper end of normal man. Sistolic is a little high, but diastolic is good. Those numbers don't alarm me at all. Are you checking it 3 times a day or so? Do you check it in the gym when you get these pounding headaches that you describe? You can do that with a wrist cuff.
I think something else is going on. Maybe poor circulation? Where do you feel the headaches?

 

[Strider]

Okay, so I went to the doc again today and she checked my bp again. This time she got out the big arm thing which made me feel good! Anyway, it was 130/95, and she said that was okay. She did a neurological exam in her office, and then told me she'd see about getting me a CAT scan in the future, when she can't say. I'm in Canada, so I wait untill there is a spot for me. Could be in a week, could be in 2 months, which is how long I'm waiting to see the pain clinic right now. In the end she prescribed nothing.

Strange? I told her that I had checked my bp at my parent's house on Saturday morning and got an average of about 140/70mm/Hg. That's high systolic and normal diastolic. Her reading was slightly high systolic, and high diastolic. Yet she prescribed me nothing. She did say that the headaches couldn't be from high bp. Fine, but it's still high and should be treated no?

My headaches have been getting better though, maybe I'll try my next shot tomorrow morning, 320mg testE, 300mg EQ. Also gonna head back to the gym tonight and see if the searing headache comes back. If it returns, I'll go to the emergency room like my doc suggested to me because there they can order a CAT scan done immediately.

 

[rubdub]

Fine, but it's still high and should be treated no?

I don't know anything about Canada healthcare, but my doctor in the US like many doctors here don't normally prescribe meds unless they have to. Especially when dealing with high bp, most doctors would rather try non drug treatments first, like cardio, changes in diet, determining what other medications you might be on that could also cause an increase in bp (like steroids).

130/95 is nothing to worry about. In fact, years ago that wasn't even considered a problem. Only recently have they changed the levels in regards to bp and their dangers.

Continue to check your bp everyday and as long as it stays similar to what it is now your fine. As far as the headaches, they are not related to your bp, so I would get those checked out if they continue.

 

[Moen]

I read this on getbig recently too and it's definately illustrating for the american health: here (Belgium) 120/90 is considered HIGH and anything above that is considered hypertension. In the US 130/95 is considered 'fine'

Seems to me like they upped the range to at least have some americans fall into the 'healthy' range

 

[Strider]

Actually I'm in Canada.