Building the Perfect Beast

[DIEZEL666]

Has anyone hear read this book? I need to discuss the plasma threshold ideas with someone, and Authors board has been pretty dead. Thanks.

 

[RicPhoenix]

Read it?

Read it? I never even heard of it. Where can I find it online to read a review and purchase a copy? Thank you

 

[Kane]

I just started reading it but I haven't read that section yet...

 

[DIEZEL666]

RIC

Check out anabolicbeast.com

This is the second book in a series. Very informative and some cutting edge ideas as far as gear and supplement use. I recommend you check it out.

 

[big_byrd52]

Hey Ray, i have read most of mine and skimmed through the rest. i was about to get back into after surfing the boards. much better than reality tv!! anyway, ask away and see if can help.

 

[Iabadman]

I have read his two books that he has released so far and I enjoyed them quite abit . I honestly think if look at some of his ideas and methods you will see that he borrowed alot Paul Borressen's stuff and just backed them up with his technical knowledge. L. Rea is a bright man and he is suppositly a good guy as well, but I honestly think that he makes things more complex than it needs to be. Maxing out ones genetic potential is a matter of consistantly eating good diet , training in a progressive manner , and allowing enough rest to grow. Gear wise from talking from the experts on this board like Doggcrap, Big A , Phil , RY Roid, Lats , Big KIwi , Homonuc[ randy] , Skip , and Zilla .I have come to the conclusion that all cycles should revolve around test [ 800 - 1500 mg a week ] and be backed up with EQ , Deca , or Tren [ 400 - 1000 mg a week ] . Orals can be used 4 weeks on 4 weeks off . D-bol 30 - 50 mgs or AD - 50 at 50 - 75 mgs seem to be to best choice.[ although some guys like Skip and Zilla don't think you should you them at all] Insulin added after workouts at 10 - 20 i.u.s [although guys like Big Kiwi like to use it everyday }and GH 6 to 12 i.u.s [ everyday or 5 0n 2 off ] seems to be your best bet. If one can not become a freak doing the gear that is recomended above then it is just not ment to be . I think if you do things right you should be able to reach pretty close to ones max size potential in two years or less.[ especially if one reached their natural peak before using gear] It is not that complicated . It is just a matter of applying everything together [ gear ,diet, training, and recoperation] . Very fews guys do everything right because it is very difficult to do . Most of us don't do everything right ,if we did you would be suprised with the amount of outstanding physiques that would be out there. I like L.Reas stuff alot but he makes it way more complicated than it needs to be . I would be happy to discus plasma thresholds with you[ PM me if you would like ] , but honestly I believe in keeping it simple. If I decide to get serious, I will document it on this board so you can see what I mean . It is more a matter of putting all the peices together than some complicated protical. I can back this up and if I choose to , I will. Take Care bro , I hope things are well for you and your family.

 

[traps_2_big]

I think Rea's point is that we don't have to use the amounts a lot of us have in the past to get the same or even better results if stacked the right way. This would be a definite benifit... less negative side effects! I agree that at a gram or more of test, you should grow. But if a beginner used over 1g to start with, when the body hits a plateau the person would have to increase the dosage even more to realize any results. So by starting with low dosages, and only increasing when the body adapts, makes safe use and not abuse. You miss out on a lot of growth by jumping to too high a dosage too soon. Plus, have you ever had time "off" after a 2g/week cycle. It's hell bro... very depressing. I've personally evaluated my supplement stratagies and have found Coach's books make a lot of sense to me. I'm not in contest condition right now (just started dieting again) but at 270# and 13% bf, I think I am making more progress on much smaller dosages now. Again this is just my experience and my opinion and I'm not knocking anyone for theirs.

 

[weight77]

Iabadman you pretty much just summed up bbing in that paragraph..You are right it really is not that complicated..

 

[LATS]

100 % correct..if ya can not grow on what ya outlined then look at the diet.. if you have a superb diet and still not gaining , than look at the workout.. if it still does not help.. you are not meant to be taking gear at all since you do not have what it takes..train hard and eat right and just be healthy..like you said, very few of us do everything right all at once.. if we took the time to do so, we would all be amazed at the gains..

 

[DIEZEL666]

I agree with what you guys are saying, but I think Rea offers an alternative to high dosed long cycles. He keeps the health of the athlete first and foremost, and the entire idea of Action/Reaction just makes sense. Instynct, if you're out there can you chime in on this? Thanks again.

 

[Kane]

L. Rea is a bright man and he is suppositly a good guy as well, but I honestly think that he makes things more complex than it needs to be. [A]

The book is not one that I would recomend to someone that was starting out unless they had a background in chemistry.

 

[DIEZEL666]

Kane, I don't think you need a background in chem to be able to get the most out of the book. Just be prepared to do alot of leg work between Beast, CME and the occasional abstract.

 

[big_byrd52]

Ray, what is it about the thresh-holds that has u thinking?

 

[Iabadman]

Diezel 666 ,
Please do not think that I don't find Mr . Rea's stuff to be a valuable , because that it just not the case. But lets be realistic , to pay L. Rea $750 a month for off season prep and $3000 a month precontest is just not reasonable for many people espeacially when you factor in the costs of gear , food, sups , and other miscellanious expenses. If you were to follow the outline that I sugested above and had your blood work monitored every 6-12 weeks I think you would do just fine. In 2 years or less you would know if you had what it takes to do well in the sport of bodybuilding[at least a very good idea on how you measure up genetically]. If it is not there after doing everything right for 2 years then just back off quit gear entirely and just train for personal satifaction and good health. Or you do what guys like Lats and Jethro Tull have done and use low doses of test and GH to slow the aging process and to promote good health.But to continue to jepardize your health and freedom as well spending your hard earned money doesn't make much sense to me. Too many guys aren't realistic. Do you have broad shoulders and a small waist /hips ? Do have nice round muscles with good overall balance? Small to medium joints? Did you carry a naturally low bodyfat and a larger amount of muscle than the normal guy when you started ? If you don't have these attributes you will never be a pro and you should devote your time and energy into other positive avenues. I mean if you are doing a show , why not hire a guy like Skip ? He would do a 16 week prep for less than what Rea chages in a month. Wanna get big? Go to Doggcrap , he is less than a third of what Rea changes. My point is Rea has great info to share ,but unless you were actually working with him directly, I don 't think that would be of that much benifit to try play with his methods .Much too complicated and I bet he would agree much of what he has written should not be translated by anyone other than himself. And the fact is most people, except for an elite few, would be able to afford working with L. Rea .And most of that elite would be better off following something like I wrote above and investing their money into some mutual funds[ now that the market is improving] than spending their hard earned cash on L.Rea.
I also don't like that L .Rea uses many of Paul Borresen's methods and gives him no mention what so ever . His dirtest diet in CME was printed years ago in the PB's old mag the governor. So were his mixing gear with site injection oil proticals as well as his GH blast recomendations. Ask RY Roid , I believe he knew Paul personally.Many of his insulin , estrogen, and cortisol ideas were taken from borresens stack book verbatium . He even likes drop sets like borresen always recomended. I could be wrong, but I was reading PB's stuff many years before I ever heard of L.Rea. [ who knows maybe borresen stole Reas ideas ]It just seems like Rea took PBs methods and put alot of science behind them. I honestly haven't read one original idea yet .[ maybe when dominater comes out ] I would like to know the trueth in reguards to whos ideas these really are.
Diezel 666 ,you seem like a great guy that is very thisty for knowledge .But I assure you my friend the info above is all you need to fullfill your potential as quickly as possible[ but you have to do everything perfectly] .There is no need to make things more complicated than they need to be . You already have all the answers . Just do everything right and if you have the genetics you will quickly get where you want to go.Good Luck!!!

 

[DIEZEL666]

Iabadman

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. I agree with you, that for the average person Rea's methods are completely unnessecary. I'm just interested in how he arrived at his conclusions. I see the similarities to Borresson, but have to point out that he seems to have refined many of the ideas and put them into a structured protocol. I'm interested in his off periods from gear., like the inulin and DNP protocol, but mainly I just find the learning interesting. If I can get something useful out of it that I can apply to my own training, diet, etc, I consider it time well spent. Thanks again for the support.

 

[DIEZEL666]

Byrd

I was trying to figure out how he arrives at his daily plasma threshold figures. I think I've got it. Tell me if this is right: He takes the amount of gear used in that day and divides it by its "active life". This will give you a daily plasma threshold that you can then tweak to your level.

 

[Iabadman]

Diezel 666 Have you ever read Borresen's book The anabolic edge [2001] ? It outlines a year of short term proticals and off peroids and such . I really think you would find it interesting. I believe you are corect about your interpetation of the plasima thresholds and like I said before this was another borresen idea. Shoot, you and I could steal these guys methods and repackage them and market them as are own . What is really going on here ? I think if decide to comeback full force [ once my family is a little more settled down following the death of my cousin and sister] I will write a book documenting the whole process and see if Sam will help me get it published .I bet I could save many guys alot of time , money and headaches.Let me know if you want in on the project if I decide to back into bodybuilding full force. You sound like a really focused intelligent guy .I really hope you get everthing that you want out of the sport. Once again ,good luck and take care.......My best to you !!!

 

[LATS]

this is in no way a slam to mr rea but, anyone can grab others ideas and use them to gain monetary favor..rea has many ideas that he almost certainly took from the borreson or trevor smith note book.. they match almost identically.. i am not say that he is all wrong on his ideas but, i would never recommend them myself..but to send ,like what iabadman said, alot of money for personal consultation id rediculous when all one has to do is read old borreson or smith threads.. but, to each their own..personally if i had 3000.00 extra dollars a month i would have a very nice retirement fund going by now lol.. that being said, one can never have too much knowledge and i wiill be the first to admit that i love to read others ideas whether i agree with them or not..

 

[DIEZEL666]

Iabadman

No, I never got a chance to read The Anabolic Edge. I did read Borresons stack book and all of the interviews your friend Jason conducted with him. I really hope you do decide to come back in full force. You have so much positive energy it would be a shame to let it go to waste. Heck yes, I would want in on that project. That sounds like a dream come true. Thanks again bro and good luck.

Lats, I agree with you about the 3k a month going to a good retirement fund. I wish I had that kind of money to blow.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

I am with Iamabadman and weight77 on this one. Let me preface this by saying I have respect for Rea, his knowledge and what he is trying to accomplish. But the fact of the matter is -- it just isnt that difficult. Certain people in this industry try to make their niches in the bodybuilding industry by making aspects of bodybuilding complex and intricate when the sledgehammer method works the best. I dont like the idea of trying to create a name for yourself by designing something so complex that it separates you from the simple facts and you build a following just because "your so different". Here is a sample regimen he had someone doing--

Tide-Cycle Example 4
(With Layers)

Day
1. Testosterone Cypionate 400mg/ Trenbolone Acetate 75mg
2. Testosterone Cypionate 400mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
3. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
4.
5. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg
6. GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
7. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
8. Nandrolone Decanoate 400mg
9. Nandrolone Decanoate 400mg/ Trenbolone Acetate 75mg
10. GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
11.Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
12.
13. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg
14. GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
15. Testosterone Cypionate 400mg/ Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
16. Testosterone Cypionate 400mg
17. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg
18. GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
19. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
20.
21. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg
22. Nandrolone Decanoate 400mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
23. Nandrolone Decanoate 400mg/ Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
24.
25. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg
26. GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
27. Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/GH 3iu 3xd/Humalog 5iu 3xd
28.
*If protocol is discontinued after day 28 Oxandrolone 10-12.5mg 2xd on days 29-35.
*BCAA 6g & Glutamine Peptides 10g 6xd with each GH and each Insulin administration (GH is administered about 1 hour after Insulin).
*CLA 2g 1 hour prior to each Insulin administration.
*Arginine 10g upon waking and immediately prior to bed on non-GH/Insulin administration days.
*Optional: GHRP-2 4xd on non-GH/Insulin administration days.


Now Im sorry, not to be racist or anything but big Ron and the top black guys in this sport arent sitting home finetuning their cycles with a daily timed approach like this. I pick black guys because its only the white guys in this sport who overanalyze and nitpick this sport on down to the second stanchion of quadrant C with regards to mg to ml ratio times pi squared concerning section A387 with regard to halflife of said compound.

Ron and company are hitting bigtime amounts of testosterone as the base and then whatever other anab/androg compounds they want to add to it in a sledgehammer method. (With GH, insulin, t3 most likely)--If its not working well the dosage is upped--thats about as scientific as it gets. The people with the best genetics lifting the heaviest weights progressively, eating the most food to get them up to the next level, and using ascending dosages on testosterone and maybe 1-4 other super supp compounds along with it are the largest behemoths in this sport. Does this mean big Ron is using the most gear in the world? Fuck no and anyone who believes that is misinformed and cant decide between common sense and envy. There are crazy amateurs you will never hear about out there, so desperate to be pro or inhumanly large that are using more juice than anyone. And they look like crap. I was privy to alot of information when I had my mag with interviewing certain people off the record and seeing how they went about things. In that time I heard of what Yates liked to do (right from his training partners mouth) to multiple other pro's to amateurs to gymrats. The most Ive ever heard a pro take (he actually told me) was a guy taking 4 plus grams of test a week along with 13 other different compounds.
This guy is still competing today and is a middle size pro --he is absolutely dwarfed by Coleman and Yates. His regimen was easily 4 times what Yates was doing. (Ive never heard of R.C's favorite way of doing things). The most Ive heard of amateurs doing was a guy on the East Coast named Anthony who was taking 5-6 grams of test a week (stupid and ridiculous) and you will never hear of him because he is trying to overcompensate lack of genetics with drugs--if his blood pressure doesnt take him off the planet first.