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BUYING A NEW DESKTOP..where to buy and what to look for?

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I am looking to buy a new desktop computer. I want a good reliable one with a nice screen and a good amount of memory. I saw one this one at walmart but I talked to a guy who worked in computers and he said that there are a lot of better deals out there??? This is the one I saw...

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=11038074

Are there better deals for what I am looking for (please post a link if so)

Thanks guys

RON
 
I always deal with Dell business class, myself. Machines like Dell Optiplex, and Precision are very good quality machines. You may pay a little more than what you are looking at on the Walmart site, but with business class you will get grade A parts instead of B, C & sometimes D grade from large stores supplying home class computers. All parts have tolerences, and the ones that meet specs the best are grade A. They tend to run cooler and last longer than B & C equipment.

For an alternative, you can get some excellent deals on an Optiplex in Dell's outlet:

http://www.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb&dgc=IR&cid=8293&lid=229020
 
it depends on what you are going to use the computer for? You need different specs depending if you want to do graphic design, gaming, or just email or word documents.

d
 
Thanks guys...any more links?

I mainly want it for school. I will use for the internet and pictures and stuff. Prolly not too much gaming but wanted a good amount of memory for music and pics and stuff...and want to virus proof the shit out of it by the way haha
 
Check out the new 22" touch screens by Hp. About 4 GB and 500 Hard drive with nice graphic cards. Nice computor.
 
Awesome keep the opinions coming guys...id like to see what the majority thinks here

Cant wait to have a computer that isnt a total Piece or Shit! :D
 
As a graphic designer/music lover... I dig HP's for their price to specs ratio so many problems with Dells/Gateways. Dells have major hard drives issues. Always crashing!

Mac's are great too but... They are too expensive and have just as many problems as PCs these days.

Best Buy has great deals... however I was able to find a particular model slightly cheaper at Circuit before they went under. But would always recommend BB.

Definitely read up on any model you're interested in (Reviews, Pricing, etc)
 
As a graphic designer/music lover... I dig HP's for their price to specs ratio so many problems with Dells/Gateways. Dells have major hard drives issues. Always crashing!

Mac's are great too but... They are too expensive and have just as many problems as PCs these days.

Best Buy has great deals... however I was able to find a particular model slightly cheaper at Circuit before they went under. But would always recommend BB.

Definitely read up on any model you're interested in (Reviews, Pricing, etc)

What do u think of the one i looked at bro? ...^^^
 
As a graphic designer/music lover... I dig HP's for their price to specs ratio so many problems with Dells/Gateways. Dells have major hard drives issues. Always crashing!

Mac's are great too but... They are too expensive and have just as many problems as PCs these days.

Best Buy has great deals... however I was able to find a particular model slightly cheaper at Circuit before they went under. But would always recommend BB.

Definitely read up on any model you're interested in (Reviews, Pricing, etc)

OP- Dont listen to this crap!

bigcmonster: As a graphic designer / music lover what exactly do you know about the technical components that are in these computers?

Sorry but your blanket statements are completely incorrect.

If you actually open up the PCs from Dell / Gateway / HP / Compaq you will notice they all share the same components just rebadged with their name on the outside and covered with an individual looking case.

Hard drives will be from either Seagate / WD / Maxtor etc.

CD / DVD drives will be from Samsung / LG / Teac / Asus / Sony etc.

You think Dell or Gateway manufacture their own Hard disk drives? They dont.

To the OP.

MAC - if you have used them before the new ones are even better but as mentioned quite expensive. If you are not familiar with their interface i dont recommend you go there as its very different and quite confusing for a conventional windows pc user.

In regards to what pc you can get dont worry about "WHICH" pc because with just about any current pc you buy you will be able to do everything provided it has a standalone video card thats not onboard the motherboard. Whether it be office applications, multimedia, games, net browsing etc. Having a stand alone video card also gives you the option of upgrading if you later decided you want to improve graphic performance.

The difference comes in with resource intensive applications such as games and multimedia. if you want your games to look prettier, invest in a better video card, same goes for multimedia. If you want the pc for storage, invest in a bigger hard drive. If you want to simply surf the net any currrent pc will do that.

As a general rule when buying a pc if you just want an allrounder with no specific requirements (such as games / multimedia as these are the major ones) simply set yourself a price limit and try and get the most PC for the money you spend. Main components (for performance) to look at are the CPU speed and the amount of RAM, the bigger the better. After that video card, after that storage + the CD/DVD drive.

Simply grab the specs of the pc you found and start looking at comparitively priced pcs from different sources. Brand names dont mean shit in the scheme of things the main difference is the warranty.

Generally if you buy online, if anything goes wrong you have to send the pc off etc etc and ETA is generally 4-6 weeks (i may be wrong here with the turn around time as i havent been in the industry for a couple of years now) from the major companies such as DELL / HP etc. If you purchase from a local store they 'should' provide at least a 1yr Back to base warranty on anything broken so you can take it to your place of purchase for them to fix. anything after 1 yr they will look at manufacturer warranty.

Kaiser - could you elaborate as the part grades? you referring to simply more expensive higher end parts that are used in the pcs or something else? as i havent heard of this before.
 
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J4CKT said:
Kaiser - could you elaborate as the part grades? you referring to simply more expensive higher end parts that are used in the pcs or something else? as i havent heard of this before.

Sure. All parts have metrics of course. So take a hard drive. Of course they are made to human exacting standards, but that is just it. Human standards that are never perfect due to one reason or another when it comes to extremely small parts or anything for that matter. Yes, they may be designed by a computer or manufactured by a computer, but who created the computer that is doing the engineering and the manufacturing in the first place? Humans, yes. Let alone raw materials themselves are not all equal. Your part is only as good as its weakest component. What happens with a drive is they do a burn in and take metrics during that procedure. Specs like armature speed, motor speed, seek speed, peak operating temperature, constant operating temperature, etc. are recorded. Once this is done, lets consider they all go into a database. So if a manufacturer makes 500 hard drives, all of them are entered into the database. Of course there are a few throw aways so lets say that now they are down to 470 drives all together that meet the MINIMUM operating tolerances for that particular product line. At that point the database is parsed for lets say the top 100 performing hard drives out of the 470 taking into consideration, but not limited to the specs listed above. They would be shipped out of the manufacturer as Grade or Class A hard drives. Then lets say they take the next 200 as Grade or Class B, then the final 170 as Grade or Class C. Grade A components when ordering from any of tghe major manufacturers get put into their workstations and business class computers. Sometimes the lower of the business class gets grade B, such as Dell Vostro. But never will business class machines get grade C components. So take Dell for instance; Dell Optiplex and Precision workstations get all grade A components. Dell will only put Class C parts in a home computer like Dimension or Inspiron, where they usually will get a grade B component. So, all things considered, let take one of the specs that are metered and work with that for a second. We will take constant operating temperature. Now if you have all grade A components, the whole computer will run much cooler and therefor faster when you are really a power user. When you put grade B parts together, you can imagine that since there are a bunch of components that have the ability to create heat, your overall temperature of the computer raises exponentially. This not only slows a computer but greatly depreciates its lifespan of each component. In simplest form, lets compare graphics cards. We all know that for gaming one of the fastest cards is created by the manufacturer BFG. Now, why if they have the same exact chipsets, do they outperform something like an eVGA brand? Notice the price difference in BFG also. This is because they purchase a class A chipset from nVidia and they run cooler than class B. Following this engineering priciple, this allows BFG to overclock higher than most of the rest as well because of heat transfer. Remember the speed at which bits transfer is directly related to the heat that is created during the transfer.

Now, I see that there are a bunch of HP lovers here. I like HP also, BUT when you get into grade A components, the price of an HP goes up through the roof. If you want to take a look, go to HPs website and check out the business class machines which you CANNOT for the most part buy in a store. These are the boxes with the grade A components. This is the model line that I compare to Dell's business class and for the most part, Dell's prices are hundreds cheaper for the same class. If you want to try something, build a business class, look at the price, then build a home class with the same components and compare the price. Why is the price more? Well, it certainly isn't because of the case that the components are housed in. It is because of the higher price they pay for grade A parts. Of course this excludes any competitive sales on business class as apposed to none on home class and business volume purchases.

Also, along with this, there is another portion of business class that tends to be faster. Not all of the time, but a good amount of the time. Lets take intermediate bit transfer speeds. Things like FSB (front side bus). Faster speeds via FSB can make a processor seem like a whole different speed. throw a Xeon on an 1066Mhz FSB, then the same Xeon on a 1333Mhz bus and the 1333 screams compared to the 1066. Because within that small amount of speed difference, you pull exponentially, not just 25% faster off of the chip and hence your calculations are rendered faster. These are where major bottle necks are created. As with only being as dependable as your weakest link, computers are only as fast and the speed of their worst bottleneck.

A third consideration is that in the higher end business class, not the lower end business class, they tend to add redundancy and error checking such as ECC memory, but that is all for another discussion.
 
first, hp is junk....stay away!!! second dealcatcher.com has great deals every day. the systems on there are good, the prices are nice. just have to look out for them.( i mean the deals)
 
What happens with a drive is they do a burn in and take metrics during that procedure. Specs like armature speed, motor speed, seek speed, peak operating temperature, constant operating temperature, etc. are recorded. Once this is done, lets consider they all go into a database. So if a manufacturer makes 500 hard drives, all of them are entered into the database. Of course there are a few throw aways so lets say that now they are down to 470 drives all together that meet the MINIMUM operating tolerances for that particular product line. At that point the database is parsed for lets say the top 100 performing hard drives out of the 470 taking into consideration, but not limited to the specs listed above. They would be shipped out of the manufacturer as Grade or Class A hard drives. Then lets say they take the next 200 as Grade or Class B, then the final 170 as Grade or Class C. Grade A components when ordering from any of the major manufacturers get put into their workstations and business class computers.

In simplest form, lets compare graphics cards. We all know that for gaming one of the fastest cards is created by the manufacturer BFG. Now, why if they have the same exact chipsets, do they outperform something like an eVGA brand? Notice the price difference in BFG also. This is because they purchase a class A chipset from nVidia and they run cooler than class B. Following this engineering priciple, this allows BFG to overclock higher than most of the rest as well because of heat transfer. Remember the speed at which bits transfer is directly related to the heat that is created during the transfer.

If we use Seagate as an example, after all their burn in testing, the top performing drives would be given to their main contracters such as Dell hp etc. But what about all the other distributors that supply local computer shops? As local shops would not be sourcing from Seagate themselves but from distributors - what grade components are the distributors recieving? Im only asking because i previously worked in a local PC shop and ordered parts quite frequently for PCs that we would build. but would never see anything about grades with regards to any of the parts. Just different models with different specs and prices, but never identical models with different grades. On the other hand, who would buy a 1tb drive thats is of lower grade instead of the higher grade, price difference would not be paramount, i guess it would be more convenient to leave this out and just sell all the drives to move them faster.

What you say about video cards makes a lot of sense - i was always under the impression that when a manufacturer releases a reference board all other competitors simply modify them as they see fit to create a card that fits in with their business goals. ie eVGA build a crappy card simply to appeal to people who cant afford much more, OR BFG build the best performing card for all the enthusiasts and such. But having a board that has already have tested and proven itself to have a lower operating temperature then the rest would definitely allow it to pump out more processing with the same amount of cooling opposed to a lower grade board that is given to another competitor.
 
I am looking to spend around 700. (Or less if possible) Some of the ones that are a grand or more are just a little pricey for me right now. :(
 
ronjon as a previous computer sales manager for best buy, any computer will work for you. It is a matter of personal prefrence on what computer brand you like or dont like. Most companies will do a 14 day return warranty if you dont like the computer, but its a pain of loading all your software and then doing it on another computer.

With the 1 year warranty that comes with all new computers, you have to ship it back to the manufacturer. Some companies will pay for the shipping to them and back and others you have to pay for shipping. They will not replace the parts in the store unless it is a store brand computer such as a fry's electronic computer.

Since you are not using the computer for major gaming, or graphics, I personally would look in your local paper for the weekly special or online and find a package deal with a monitor you like, or look for one with a rebate.

d
 
If we use Seagate as an example, after all their burn in testing, the top performing drives would be given to their main contracters such as Dell hp etc. But what about all the other distributors that supply local computer shops? As local shops would not be sourcing from Seagate themselves but from distributors - what grade components are the distributors recieving? Im only asking because i previously worked in a local PC shop and ordered parts quite frequently for PCs that we would build. but would never see anything about grades with regards to any of the parts. Just different models with different specs and prices, but never identical models with different grades. On the other hand, who would buy a 1tb drive thats is of lower grade instead of the higher grade, price difference would not be paramount, i guess it would be more convenient to leave this out and just sell all the drives to move them faster.

What you say about video cards makes a lot of sense - i was always under the impression that when a manufacturer releases a reference board all other competitors simply modify them as they see fit to create a card that fits in with their business goals. ie eVGA build a crappy card simply to appeal to people who cant afford much more, OR BFG build the best performing card for all the enthusiasts and such. But having a board that has already have tested and proven itself to have a lower operating temperature then the rest would definitely allow it to pump out more processing with the same amount of cooling opposed to a lower grade board that is given to another competitor.

I honestly do not know about the retail end or oem to small system builders. But I can say that I was aware of a few hard drives a few years back that were actually the same model and programmatically changed to drop performance. In the case I am talking about, when they first started running 7200RPM hard drives. The motor and the overall construction was the same exact components. They dropped the RPM to 5400 via firmware. Did they do this because of tolerences? I would suspect so, but again, I do not have direct proof of it. I can tell you that we changed the firmware with Hackman and were able to achieve the 7200 RPM out of them. Saved about $50 off of the drive price back then as well. This same exact drive was sold under the Maxtor, IBM, Western Digital, and back then Quantum which was later bought out by Maxtor. Seagate was not included in this particular drive. As I said I have no proof, but I would imagine it had to do with tolerences and these were retail and small system builder drives. I would imagine this is common place across the hardware spectrum.
 
With the 1 year warranty that comes with all new computers, you have to ship it back to the manufacturer. Some companies will pay for the shipping to them and back and others you have to pay for shipping. They will not replace the parts in the store unless it is a store brand computer such as a fry's electronic computer.

This is another reason I would rather purchase from Dell. All business class comes with a 3 year ON SITE warranty. For the most part, I believe all home class does as well. This means you do not have to worry about shipping a whole computer back and the problem of backing up your data and applications if a motherboard dies. They simply come out and replace it at your house the next business day. With the technician there, if you do have data problems, they do spend a little extra time trying to remediate the issue. You can also usually tip these guys out about $20 for extra help in areas such as networking, etc., although they are not supposed to, obviously. Very nice option if you ask me.

I am sure there are probably other companies like HP that offer this as well as long as you order the PC through them directly on their website, but I have not looked into it in a long time.
 

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