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Charles Poloquin and Controlled Overtraining?

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Q: Can you really "shock" muscles into growing? The old school bodybuilders used to use that term a lot, but is it true?

A: Yes, I think it's still true. In fact, if something doesn't grow, you can train it three days in a row.

I had a national caliber bodybuilder who couldn't put legs on. At his height he should've weighed 240, not 210. I made him do legs nine times a week and four months later he weighed 242.

One of my old mentors used to say to me, "If you're not making progress, overtrain until you're depressed, then take five days off. Then you'll grow."

So let's say you're a guy who has no lats — you're as wide as a fucking pencil. Train your lats three days in a row. The reps might look like this:

Day #1: 6-8 reps

Day #2: 10-12 reps

Day #3: 20-25 reps

Then take a day off and train the rest of your body parts for the week. As for exercises, you'll change the lat exercise each of the three days.

Remember, hypertrophy is a biological adaptation to a biological stress. If something doesn't kill you, then the more you put stress on it the more it will adapt. If the .22 caliber doesn't work, use a .50 caliber.

It's backed up in the scientific literature that you can train a muscle up to nine times a week, as long as you give it some time after to rest. In other words, if you don't train to the point of depression, it doesn't really work.

Keep the rule of 20% in mind. Let's say you can bench press 300 pounds for sets of five. Train until you can only do 240 for sets of five. Controlled overtraining in other words. Take five days off and when you come back you'll bench 330.

Another way that works well for strength is to train with singles (10-12) five days in a row for the same lift. Take two days off, you get a personal best.

The problem is that most people don't have the balls to do this. They won't overtrain to that point and will panic when they drop just five pounds on their bench. They need a slave driver coach to make them do it. You have to reach that 20% drop. When you show up at the gym and start crying for no reason, you're there.
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I took this off MM because i wanted to discuss this here. Has anyone ever tried something similar? What were the results?
 
the big beyond belief system does this in a roundabout way by adding sets and cutting rest periods over the course of 3 weeks then cutting back to allow for growth (adaptation)
 
the big beyond belief system does this in a roundabout way by adding sets and cutting rest periods over the course of 3 weeks then cutting back to allow for growth (adaptation)

Well crap, i may have to finally give this program a try. Doesn't it have you working out 1-2 times per day 6 days a week though? Im not THAT dedicated.:D
 
Well crap, i may have to finally give this program a try. Doesn't it have you working out 1-2 times per day 6 days a week though? Im not THAT dedicated.:D



no. there is a 4 day split, a 6 day split and a 2-a-day 6 day split that you mentioned. the 4 day split is very convenient. i used the 6 day as the workouts last about 30min on average.
 
I also had decent success using the 4-day BBB split, but spread out over 3 training days per week (when I was too busy to get to the gym 4 days a week). I'd roll the 4th day into the following week...
 
I love reading Charles Poloquin articles! Thanks for sharing ME!
 
How did you implement this?

Truthfully, I did it very similarly to the way he outlined it above in that q and a column. My arms have always lagged, so I would bomb arms three days in a row or so, then train the rest of the body parts throughout the rest of the week. Doing this I put close to an inch and a half on my arms in a month clean. Keep in mind I was eating an insane amount of calories, and was sleeping better than i've ever slept in my life for that month's time (ghb, lol). I've trained with Charles in the past, so I had a pretty good idea of what I was doing, but I did this in the offseason, (I play football) after I got done training with him. (I know stupid since I'm playing ball, but i'm a bodybuilder at heart). Def try it with your weaker body parts. The way he outlines above is good.
 
Truthfully, I did it very similarly to the way he outlined it above in that q and a column. My arms have always lagged, so I would bomb arms three days in a row or so, then train the rest of the body parts throughout the rest of the week. Doing this I put close to an inch and a half on my arms in a month clean. Keep in mind I was eating an insane amount of calories, and was sleeping better than i've ever slept in my life for that month's time (ghb, lol). I've trained with Charles in the past, so I had a pretty good idea of what I was doing, but I did this in the offseason, (I play football) after I got done training with him. (I know stupid since I'm playing ball, but i'm a bodybuilder at heart). Def try it with your weaker body parts. The way he outlines above is good.

So those three days you did nothing but arms? I take it you do high volume, but just change up the exercises for those 3 days?
 
Maybe I'm suffering from sleep deprivation(probably),but how do you figure out how many sets and the weights used-only outlined reps? Are these straight sets? Is this what he's saying w/ the "rule of 20%?" I never took the Serious Growth program seriously-Heavy Duty was all the rage back then.

SPEEDBACKER-did you train Bis/Tris(2 bodyparts) together? That is an amazing gain....
 
So those three days you did nothing but arms? I take it you do high volume, but just change up the exercises for those 3 days?

Correct. The first 3 days all I trained were biceps and triceps. Yea, I changed up the exercises for the 3 different days in a row. Yea, the volume was pretty high. 4-6 exercises each day (2-3 for bis, 2-3 for tris). All supersetted.
 
Maybe I'm suffering from sleep deprivation(probably),but how do you figure out how many sets and the weights used-only outlined reps? Are these straight sets? Is this what he's saying w/ the "rule of 20%?" I never took the Serious Growth program seriously-Heavy Duty was all the rage back then.

SPEEDBACKER-did you train Bis/Tris(2 bodyparts) together? That is an amazing gain....

Truthfully,you just have to play around with it and see what works for you. Yes I trained biceps and triceps together. I supersetted everything.
 
it really isn't anything too revolutionary... if you are a track sprinter or oly lifter you end up doing legs 5 days a week, often more than once a day.

bodybuilding includes a higher degree of negative induced trauma though. how does he manipulate tempo throughout the week?
 
Keep the rule of 20% in mind. Let's say you can bench press 300 pounds for sets of five. Train until you can only do 240 for sets of five

What does this exactly mean. Do you keep on doing drop sets until you reach 240 for sets of five
 
the big beyond belief system does this in a roundabout way by adding sets and cutting rest periods over the course of 3 weeks then cutting back to allow for growth (adaptation)
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They had a special report i remeber getting with the manuel doing 10 sets of 10 on bench to get your chest up for 7 days in a row decreasing rest time every couple days. Then taking a week off and go back to regular training. I remember it blowing my chest up like crazy.
 
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What does this exactly mean. Do you keep on doing drop sets until you reach 240 for sets of five

i dont quite understand this either...would love some clarification on it!

also, how does this work for an average NATURAL bber? assuming adequate caloric intake.
 
What does this exactly mean. Do you keep on doing drop sets until you reach 240 for sets of five

No drop sets in here...only drop strenght.

For me is quite obvious:

Follow this training protocol untill you haven't enough strenght to peform 240 for sets of five.

In other words TRAIN THIS WAY UNTILL YOU LOST STRENGHT BY 20% then take the days off.
 
In other words TRAIN THIS WAY UNTILL YOU LOST STRENGHT BY 20% then take the days off.

I see now. I thought he meant train this way until you loose 20% during your actual workout with your normal poundage for a given number of days. I like the other example he gave better when he gave sets days. Some may be hitting chest for 3 weeks straight before they loose 20% strength others 1 week.
 

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