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Chem major opinion on analysis of unknowns

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I am trying to find out if using a mass spectrometer or G.C. can be used to analyze compounds. It has been a number of years since I had my Chem courses and figured I'd ask it here. Since most are in a solution - oil or water based it is my assumption that separation would be required prior to analyzing. Is there an easier method for determining if the compound is what it is supposed to be? Or perhaps just belong to a family of steroids? Not just oils. Calculating concentration of mixture would likely be too wasteful. Unfortunately, my chem classes had unlimited supplies of unknown product and waste was not an issue. The Gas Chromatograph was only used for confirmation purposes in the course I had. This is probably an easy question for those who weren't scared off by quant and qual Chem like I was- Once I passed organic 1 and 2 - I wimped out and became a bio major. Thanks
 
hahaha way over my head, but if your concerned whats in your gear i would take it to a professional lab...if thats not an option i wouldnt gamble an abcess for a couple hundred bucks, throw it away and buy from a reputable source...Sorry I'm a lawyer not a chemist
 
Yup. But after searching so much I see that there are dozens of other individuals that are wondering the same thing about their purchases. Just about everyone I show pics and everywhere I look say it is fake. This came from a reputable source but I cannot see why a small sampling of 1/4 ml or less could not be tested easily with the above equipment or something similar. Analyzing an unknown compound is pretty difficult but verifying the contents when you have an idea of what it is supposed to be should be quite easy. Calculating the exact concentration would take a more sizable sample and might be tough. I have access to getting the equipment and the option of sending to a lab is ridiculously priced. Since you are a lawyer maybe you can tell me if it is legal to test for other individuals.
 
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The legallity of testing the substance would depend on the country, assuming you live in the United States it is illegal to posses AAS unless you have some type of license for scientific research or medicine.
 
I am trying to find out if using a mass spectrometer or G.C. can be used to analyze compounds. It has been a number of years since I had my Chem courses and figured I'd ask it here. Since most are in a solution - oil or water based it is my assumption that separation would be required prior to analyzing. Is there an easier method for determining if the compound is what it is supposed to be? Or perhaps just belong to a family of steroids? Not just oils. Calculating concentration of mixture would likely be too wasteful. Unfortunately, my chem classes had unlimited supplies of unknown product and waste was not an issue. The Gas Chromatograph was only used for confirmation purposes in the course I had. This is probably an easy question for those who weren't scared off by quant and qual Chem like I was- Once I passed organic 1 and 2 - I wimped out and became a bio major. Thanks

You do need to separate the steroid from the oil. This is simple. Kinda like a reverse tren extraction since its non-volatile. You would use typically 2 solvents (nonpolar, polar). This solvent is run through the GC because of the lower boiling point.

A GC is connected to a MS aka GC-MS. No such thing as an MS alone. The GC in the most simple of terms just separates the compounds through a change in temperature over time. This happens in the column. The column used (length, diameter) depends on the application although they all work to some degree for everything. You inject the solvent and it instantly vaporizes as injects into an oven. This travels through the column under vacuum and the different molecules elute out of the column at different times (i.e separation)The GC either has a detector (FID, etc.) or is connected to a mass spec where the mass spec is a detector. The MS smashes the parent molecule in daughter ions which gives you really good sensitivity. Each organic molecule will break into the same daughter ions every time. If that didn’t happen MS would be useless. The MS does what it says, separates and determines the parent molecule by ion mass.

MS is powerful in that you can run a steroid (say trenbolone) and it will tell you if you have it or not based on the library data loaded into the MS software. This means you don’t need to calibrate the MS with a trenbolone standard to verify the tren. It can do it based on the ion mass.

My experience. I did run a powder on a GC/MS and it was actually 94% trenbolone and If I can remember 3-4% like 10 different intermediates. All very similar to tren. I was surprised I thought 80% max. Thanks LEO!
 
thanks

Thanks - that gives me some inspiration to look into what equip
i can access. I am glad I would not need an additional pure product to compare it to. Maybe I will set up a testing company in the future if the need for one is out there.
 
Analyzing an unknown compound is pretty difficult but verifying the contents when you have an idea of what it is supposed to be should be quite easy.


Like W8killa said when you have an idea what compounds you are trying to analyze Mass Spec is the place to do it. You can get very good specificity in anyalyzing compounds.

Mass spec is widely used in proteomics in better understanding protein expression in cells. Researchers "dial in" their mass spec to see if there are the proteins they are looking for present...When they know what proteins they are looking for...
 

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