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CLEAN FOR 1 YEAR...STILL LOW TEST..HRT NEEDED?

I agree......

If I was him I would go see a doc and go off all the Juice period..

Off is not
Test Prop & dbol or Tren Extreme and Superdrol either it's off off.
 
well, for me off is androgel as im 44,it keeps me about 300 level, isnt great but ,along with blood donations it gives the rest of my body time to recover, and no , i didnt cook my natty with gear, never touched it till i needed trt................some cant wait i suppose
 
If I was him I would go see a doc and go off all the Juice period..

Off is not
Test Prop & dbol or Tren Extreme and Superdrol either it's off off.



Ahh...i didnt think it was significant so i didnt include that little bout of juice...basially I was taking those dosages for 2-3 weeks to see if it even worked after being clean for 6 months, to see if my receptors upregulated..but didnt feel a dam thing...just nausea (ive taken juice on and off for almost 9 yrs..so I know when I feel something)...so i came off after about 14 days. I dont believe it was fake either...got my CD's from a couple sources over on OLM with well over a 90% rating and have been around a long time. I honestly and truely believe my receptors and non functional, or..close to it. In which case im not really sure HRT would even do anything for me..but Im really hoping it will, and Im going to see my endo to see if he'll precribe it to me...i will also show him my previous 4 blood tests showing I had my levels in the low range..and EVEN WENT DOWN to almost half of what it was 3-4 months ago...hell..in a few months it might go from 100, down to 50..which is ridiculous.

As for testi size..they are back to 100% normal size...i tried HCG AND HMG post cycle for a few weeks..along with clomid nolva for an additional 8-12 weeks...and ive used primordial performance's TRS stack for the first 8 months I was off cycle..so..trust me..I've pretty much tried it all..along with TIME...



Ill tell him im tired all the time...lack of energy/motivation...but ive come to accept it and deal with it...but that I feel staying with low Test is going to open me up to a whole range of diseases and having a weaker immune system..etc..Ill also throw in how prescribing test to an older person..who's natural test is low..is NATURAL for that person's age (low test when older is natural)..but for a 29 year old with low test..well..i would think he'd NEED IT MORE...since having low test for a 29 year old is NOT natural...

As for continuing to stay off a little longer..if the endo thinks I should...Ill get a 3rd opinion So i can make a most informed choice..and based on the docs' opinions Ill do what I think is best ;) The option of Self medicating is always there, but I'd prefer to get it from a doc first if I can, and also get his opinion..
 
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If you want TRT and don't go to a TRT specialist, you've got very good odds that you're going to be throwing your doctor's fee away completely or getting androgel crap, especially at your age.
 
The prince of Wimbledon goes down: Federer loses in quarters

The Wimbledon reign of Roger Federer officially ended at 3:45 p.m. BST when Tomas Berdych achieve a forehand winner to seal a 6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-4 quarterfinal victory in excess of the six-time match champion.


This wasn't a blindside discompose; the correspondence had been on the go under since Federer began the tourney pattern week next to struggling against Alejandro Falla. He not at any time looked like he had the magic of old. Forehands were pushed widespread, backhands netted low. Federer appeared slower than usual. He was always so fair at getting to balls that you in no way realized how quick he was at anticipating where a go would be. This meeting he was a retire b decrease slower.
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My levels never came back past 200s even after 9 years. I was also on for a bit over 4 years straight. An endo said I had "hyperactive aromatase." I tried several different "PCT" like therapies before going on HRT. My only regret is that I did not start HRT 9 years earlier.
 
deffinately keep seeing more doctors if they dont want to put you on injections its worth it. Unfortunately most will want you on the androgel crap but like i said tell them you would rather do the injections because you dont want to rub it all off on your girlfriend, trust me it can happen too, it even says it on the androgel pamphlet that comes with it, they cant argue with that. And tell them you work out in the heat also and it will all be sweated off. They cant logicly argue with either one of those reasons and if they do they are idiots.
 
Is it safe to do a sling shot 5 month cycle of 500 test, 400, deca with all the required pct?

Thats a very normal cycle and what i always used to do is the opposite of front loading and it always treated me well. Your first 2 weeks just start out with 250 test and 200 deca then week 3 increase to 500test 400deca. Considering you were off for a good amount of time people just dont understand that even though long ester steroids build up slowly in your bloodstream you still get a spike 1 hour after any injections because some of that compound leaks rite into the veins. I know this because i have literaly done over 1000 injections in my life and i have had my blood tested after. You can see for yourself on charts that after one shot of testosterone enanthat that the peak in the bloodstream comes about 1 hour after. Now if you take this into account and think of how strong the effects of testosterone is going to be on your receptors after being off for 6 months, then taking a 400mg shot or whatever else these people like to do now days can give you some serious side effects. I dont know about you guys but i like to avoid any side effect other than nice lean muscle mass. High blood pressure is one of the side effects that comes to mind, you have to think that your body has had a lower level of test for some time and has adepted to it. Your body likes to adapt to certain levels and maintain a homeostasis. This whole theory that "oh im gona slam all these androgens into my body to kick start it and all this extra water i put on in one week is gona make me so huge" Come on that dosnt even make sense, after all its just water, not muscle. Give your body time to adapt, it will be much happier with you and you will probably live longer and you will still get huge in the long run.


Running deca for 5 months is probably pushing it bro and i would run HCG twice a week for a majority of that cycle if your expecting to come off totaly and recover, why not deca for half then switch to EQ or primo for the other half?
 
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My levels never came back past 200s even after 9 years. I was also on for a bit over 4 years straight. An endo said I had "hyperactive aromatase." I tried several different "PCT" like therapies before going on HRT. My only regret is that I did not start HRT 9 years earlier.

Amen;)

Well guys..its been a few weeks now..i saw two doctors to get different opinions...the second doctor thought my levels werent actually recovering because i got my test done a few hrs later...when he told me it's best to get it done early, fasting. In truth all of this is BS in my opinion...because my total test levels are still in the gutter..and have been for over a year now.

The first doctor looked over my 4 blood tests over the last 13 months...and told me I have classical signs of low test and that he wants to get a MRI scan of my pituitary gland done ..sperm analysis..and another blood test. He seems more concerned and when I asked him if I'd be a prime canditate for HRT he shook his head and said "yeah, it looks like it, but let's get these other tests done first to rule out a pituitary tumor, infertility, etc"

I plan on getting these tests done ASAP...but im self medicating myself with 50mgs of prop eod (150mgs/week)...so I can just feel normal, because im fucking sick of feeling "not normal". He isnt checking total test this time on the bloodwork..just LH/FSH (in terms of sex hormones)...so i dont think my self medication will show up, hopefully....

Ill let u guys know what happens though..just thought id update. In any case..worse case scenario...if he doesnt prescribe me anything? Ill just self medicate myself with the least counterfeited human grade test i know of..and use 2-300iu's of HCG weekly to keep the boys plump, and 100-150mgs enanth weekly...
 
Bro, I'm in the same boat as you. My test is actually low. My main concern is I want to get my wife pregnant. I have a great endo who explains everything in detail. His first choice was put me on trt, until I said I'm trying to get the wife pregnant. He told me that trt will shut down my Lh and fsh. So he put me on clomid 50mg a day till she is pregnant. Then trt for life.
 
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Railslave keep us updated on the getting your wife pregnant. I'm interested to see if the clomid works for you.
 
Bro, I'm in the same boat as you. My test is actually low. My main concern is I want to get my wife pregnant. I have a great endo who explains everything in detail. His first choice was put me on trt, until I said I'm trying to get the wife pregnant. He told me that trt will shut down my Lh and fsh. So he put me on clomid 50mg a day till she is pregnant. Then trt for life.



Interesting...I would imagine HCG would work better for this than clomid, HCG keeps the LH and FSH flowing :)...Id probably take HCG too at 300iu weekly (150iu bi weekly while on HRT)
 
Interesting...I would imagine HCG would work better for this than clomid, HCG keeps the LH and FSH flowing :)...Id probably take HCG too at 300iu weekly (150iu bi weekly while on HRT)
Bloodwork showed Lh 1.8 fsh 1.9 my test was at 215

After doc put me on clomid 50mg ed, blood test showed my lh 3.6 and fsh is 4.7. Test also went up 340.

Doc said that I have a pituatary tumor, and that you can't really do anything about it. and my testicles are a ok. I have 2 kids already, but I want one more before trt.
 
Bloodwork showed Lh 1.8 fsh 1.9 my test was at 215

After doc put me on clomid 50mg ed, blood test showed my lh 3.6 and fsh is 4.7. Test also went up 340.

Doc said that I have a pituatary tumor, and that you can't really do anything about it. and my testicles are a ok. I have 2 kids already, but I want one more before trt.

I need to get an MRI scan to see if I have a pituitary tumor. Are these serious at all?
 
I was told no, but it does affect ur hormone balance. You endorsing would know best.
 
I need to get an MRI scan to see if I have a pituitary tumor. Are these serious at all?

I have a pituitary tumor but luckily its affecting a very minimal amount of my hormones. Many people with this issue develop cushings disease due to the large amount of cortisol the body produces.

If you do have a tumor and it's small, then the effected hormones can be monitored with supplementation. If the tumor reaches a certain size then it will more than likely cause a greater degree of hormonal imbalalnces in which case surgery will be needed to remove the tumor.

Now the bad part comes when the surgery does not remove all of the tumor as the next step is radiation treatment to remove the remaning cells which can also kill off good cells...realizing these cells are near the brain....that doesnt sound to good does it?

In my case, over the past 3 years, my tumor has not grown and no further hormones have been affected so life is good....for now.

I feel your case is that your abuse has led to a complete shut down of your HPTA. You more than likely do not have a tumor but your body, to this point, has been unable to recover. In this case you will probably only need to supplement testosterone.
 
Interesting...I would imagine HCG would work better for this than clomid, HCG keeps the LH and FSH flowing :)...Id probably take HCG too at 300iu weekly (150iu bi weekly while on HRT)

I'm pretty sure HCG acts as LH rather than stimulating secretion, hence it will not help restore LH/FSH production.
 
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I'm pretty sure HCG acts as LH rather than stimulating secretion, hence it will not help restore LH/FSH production.

That has been my understanding as well. If the body has LH via exogenous administration, why would it secrete/produce it naturally?

Think of it as testosteron. When the body senses there is an abundance of testosteron, why would it produce it on its own? Hence PCT to get it to produce it on its own.
 
Interesting...I would imagine HCG would work better for this than clomid, HCG keeps the LH and FSH flowing :)...Id probably take HCG too at 300iu weekly (150iu bi weekly while on HRT)

did you ever get your E2 (estrodiol) and PRL (prolactin) checked? these are very suppressive and high levels will keep you shut down. an AI and anti prl like bromo or caber definately can help and the caber/bromo will help with libido and help you feel better at least.
 

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