CONCERNED: MAYBE WE NEED SOME TYPE OF SCREENING PROCESS FOR THOSE WHO GIVE ADVICE?

[JETHRO TULL]

IT HAS RECENTLY BECOME CLEAR THAT WE NEED SOME SORT OF SCREENING PROCESS FOR THOSE WHO GIVE ADVICE TO OTHERS ON THE BOARD. I STARTED REALLY THINKING ABOUT IT AFTER I READ ARMAGEDDON'S POST ABOUT THE KILO CLUB.

I think new members might look at the number of posts a person has made and come to the conclusion that this person is some type of an authority on training, hormone use, nutrition or on the bodybuilding lifestyle in general.

Marbalizer is a new member who ended up thinking Fullybuilt was someone qualified to give others advice. Think about how often this might have happened.

Now it has become clear that Fullybuilt is a frat-boy, a recreational drug user who also abuses steroids, lies constantly, eats improperly,desperately wants a reputation, argues and insults professional athletes/trainers/competitors and from [what the photos glaringly prove] has no idea how to build even a respectable physique.

Taking advice from a such a troubled individual could actually harm someone.

I have a few ideas about how we could keep this from happening and I'll post them, but I'd like people to brainstorm this topic and post ideas about how we could accomplish making the board even better and at the same time screen out these freaks who are looking to build an internet rep.

We've got a ton of great competitors, contributors, trainers, nutritional experts, counselors, and professionals here. Lets help point new members in a postive direction.

Please post some of your ideas.

 

[Gavin Kane]

Everyone give your real name, address and bank info. Then we can see who is who.

J/K but I agree, there are too many so called gurus out there spewing out a ton of misinformation *coughARcough*

 

[joeshow5]

I am a newbie myself, and don't think its really necessary to screen. I think anyone who is seriouse enough about bodybuilding will easily be able to decipher what advice is good and what is bad. I use the search button like a mofo and I read read read and then read some more. Then, if I am still not satisfied, I ask. While researching its not hard to find oput who is full if it and who isn't.
While everone does have different opinions, Its those opinions that make this place a great asset to people learning.
I like to hear the idiots.
I love to hear the pros.
I think the diversity makes things interesting.

 

[Steak Helmet]

JT that is a good idea...

I think the MODs should have that right if something is wrong, to delete it...

Beginners are always on here looking for advice, and if one says one thing and another says another thing(and that is wrong)...what do they believe? I think the MODs should have the right to take something down unless they have proof that that is how something is...I hope that makes sense??

 

[bgmke7]

i think joeshow5 has said it well.i do agree that there are way too many people giving out bad info but if anyone starts to censor information then who is to tell what is right and what is wrong? yeah it can be simple at times but ultimately it will come down to someone's opinion.the bodybuilding community can not be held responsible for what someone does with his or hers life.we all come on here and talk about our government not letting us do what we want with our own bodies,so in turn, we cant start telling people what they can or can not say on a pubilc forum.i think we must trust in people to be intelligent enough to determine what is truth and what is fiction.

 

[marbalizer99]

Just to clarify, I didn't think FB was qualified. I was pointing out that had I joined next month I would have no idea about the "real" FB and would have taken his advice seriously. Because when someone joins a board, until they've been here for awhile they don't know who is who, and post count can help to determine that.

I think ALL members (mostly new ones) need to understand that they have to research on their own and not just rely on what others tell them or what they read. I think the thing that is most difficult for newbs is conflicting information. There is TOO MUCH different first cycle advice, pct advice, AI advice floating around, and because everyone's body is different and everyone's body reacts differently to different substances that is understandable. So how does a mod decipher what is right and what is wrong? For example, Dad (moderator) recently posted in the beginner section that going over 300mg/wk for your first cycle is not necessary, however, many other people will say otherwise, moderators and pro's included. Hell, BigA's beginner article says:

You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty. You need an anabolic - deca or Eq at 400mg/week is plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d.

How many people agree with that? I'm new and I would never recommend a cycle like that to a beginner and am willing to bet that if I started regirgitating that info in the beginner forum, I would get flamed to no end. That's just with cycles, PCT and AI's are the same way. I think without knowing how someone's body reacts to something, you can never give out the "right" advice.

As far as screening, I don't know how you can do it on an anonymous board. Whenever I answer a question for someone I base it off of what was told to me from someone that is a knowledable person and if their advice conincides with what I have researched. I believe a lot of others do this too which provides answers to peoples questions quickly. How often have you seen a thread followed by a post like "its been 2 days, can anyone help me" because they received no response. You could make it so only "screened" people could reply but then expect more unanswered threads because, I like many others probably wouldn't pass a screening process even though the only info we give out is based off of what conincides with what we research and have been told by knowledgable people. I feel like I know A LOT from all the research I've done but I still RARELY give out advice because I feel like I don't know enough.

EDIT: I HAVE AN IDEA...
What about a pos/neg system. I've seen some forums where you could "rep" a person, however what about a way to pos/neg a post, NOT THE PERSON. That way if you open a thread and disagree with someone's reply (or original post) you can press a + or - button and some sort of indicator will display on that post based on how people are responding. The only reason I say not to do the person is because like I said above, different knowledgeable people have different advice (such as BigA and Dad). Both of them would have completely positive reps on their name (as they should), but that doesn't help if they give out info that a majority disagree with.

 

[bgmke7]

i just read one problem that should be looked at.nonone should give advice just because you read it somewhere else from someone else.i think that people should state when they respond that this is from experience or just from reading another thread on anther board.if,infact, the person has real world experience about the subject at hand then they can give an informed response.

 

[bigfatandugly]

i think phil did it best...

if you feel that someone is contributing information that doesnt mirror what he practices, challenge him to post his pics.

anyone willing to dispense information of such a nature i feel should have the body to back it up just by putting into practice what they preach.

this should pretty much seperate the wheat from the chaff, no?

i have never posted my pic on an internet forum, but if i am advising someone on the use of aas, insulin, dnp or anything else if believe i have an understanding of, i wouldnt take offense to such a request- especially when it comes to substances and compounds that could potentially harm a person if not administered properly.


BFU

 

[bigheinz]

I agree, we need a filter, people really think the guys with more post are the best, one of my friends thought that.

It going to be more interesting and bring more seriously than we have jet.

Bump!!!!

 

[bgmke7]

if you feel that someone is contributing information that doesnt mirror what he practices, challenge him to post his pics.

anyone willing to dispense information of such a nature i feel should have the body to back it up just by putting into practice what they preach.

this should pretty much seperate the wheat from the chaff, no?

i have never posted my pic on an internet forum, but if i am advising someone on the use of aas, insulin, dnp or anything else if believe i have an understanding of, i wouldnt take offense to such a request- especially when it comes to substances and compounds that could potentially harm a person if not administered properly.


BFU

i agree mostly with this outlook but if anyone here remenbers Dan Duchane(sp?) if he were to post his pic(he is dead now though) everyone would think that he was full of shit but in reality the man was on the cutting edge of chemistry..............
this would be the exception to the rule though.he was one in a million.my point is that we cant be so strict as to not let in new thinking.

 

[haze324]

on a grappling board I am member of they have an Aura with + or -

not sure how you could get that on this board. I think it could help out as to who makes + posts and who makes - ones.

 

[Tman2002]

reply

Maybe we should have some type of screeening for those who accept advice

 

[Gavin Kane]

i agree mostly with this outlook but if anyone here remenbers Dan Duchane(sp?) if he were to post his pic(he is dead now though) everyone would think that he was full of shit but in reality the man was on the cutting edge of chemistry..............
this would be the exception to the rule though.he was one in a million.my point is that we cant be so strict as to not let in new thinking.

This is very true, some of the best minds in the industry do not look like lifters at all. I know if you saw current pics of me you guys would probably laugh, but in my day when I was large and competing, I didn't know half of what I do now, even though my body looks worse.

 

[Enanthanator]

I think things pretty much straighten themselves out. If a bro gives bad advice there are enough people here to correct that error. As a noob you should hopefully have enough common sense to do some of your own research or listen to more than one opinion.

 

[xcelbeyond]

Well - I probably started all this

I've seen too many people in the Beginner Forum telling people to take 500mg (or MORE) test AND 40mg D-bol. When I originally "discovered boards" it was back when Elite Fitness was a free board. There was so much BAD information given, it was really hard to decipher, even for someone who thought they knew something. It turned me off to not come back to the board scene for SEVERAL years.

I started the Kilo Klub as a form of recognition for members that contribute to this community. There was no qualifying criteria to be in the club other than post count. Most KK members have contributed in a meaningful way and others that have simple replies and bumps.

Just because my post count is high doesn't mean that I know the most on this board - far from it!

 

[thebrick]

I think things pretty much straighten themselves out. If a bro gives bad advice there are enough people here to correct that error. As a noob you should hopefully have enough common sense to do some of your own research or listen to more than one opinion.

Yes. Bingo.

 

[xcelbeyond]

If anyone has a way to modify the KK criteria that is fair, easy to apply, and that won't piss people off, we're all ears.

PS: most boards give you different titles automatically after you've reached certain levels of posts - nothing to do with quality. More like seniority.

 

[vitor]

I would think one with have to do alot of research and would not take just anyone advice. I think asking multiple members, etc, on what, when and how to do is a great approach. We are all so diffrient, my first cycle was 200mgs of test eth, with 200mgs of deca every week, put on 23lbs off that, would anyone and I meany anyone recomend that as a first cycle for someone today?



I agree in theory but for anyone new etc, ask question, search , listen and get second opinions..

 

[KillerStack]

It's impossible to reach a consensus as far as gear advice for example. When should you start using? Who should use? How much? Which compounds? And etc etc. I guarantee you that if you took some legends of the sport from a couple of decades past they would say it's absolute insanity to use insulin, SEO, IGF-1, MGF or what have you, pro BB or not.

There's a ton of info on the net, lots of bad and some good. There's not much else for a newbie to do than read and listen to advice from various sources and try to form an educated opinion. The so called experts have given some very bad advice occasionally also. Duchaine was responsible for introducing Nubain in bodybuilding. That advice may have wrecked numerous lives.

I guess it's reader beware. Don't trust anyone blindly, whether he is a pro, guru or expert.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

This is perhaps something to consider. Perhaps we could have some type of criteria. Let's say we create a member type like "Extreme Expert" (or whatever). If someone wants to be in this category they or perhaps another members or say, at least three members, would have to nominate them, the use would have to be a senior member or a kilo klub member, and then the mods would just vote on whether that person should be an "Extreme Expert".

Normally, I'd say we could have the members vote for the person but even our featured member votes are piss poor. Sometimes 1000 views and 65 votes.

It doesn't have to be what I just wrote but I do agree with you guys about the post count being indicative of knowledge. I look at guys like AP who have posted articles and so forth, helped members, but still relatively few posts and then I think of good bro's like Kawasaki1 who's racked up almost 1000 posts already. Both the guys I just mentioned are obviously very knowlegable, there's just a large difference in the way they go about posting. Kawasaki1 may say "I agree with Joey on this..." and AP might right three pages telling why he agrees in every detail. And then there's guys like me who ramble on forever about God knows what. I'm with Xcel. If you guys come up with something feasable, we can make it happen.