Cycle Help...

[Skylerstone]

Hey guys I'm getting ready to start a cycle and I've got a few questions. I'll get the basics out of the way.

I'm 33, 6'1, 185 pounds, and 14%bf. This is my 4th cycle but it's been a few years since my last one. During the cycle I will be taking milk thistle and saw palmetto on top of the cranberry and multivitamin I already take. I have a pretty healthy diet and I know that I'm gonna have to pound the food for this one.

Now my cycle looks like:

weeks 1-12 500mg per week of Test Enanthate

weeks 1-4 40mg per day of D-Bol

weeks 4 & 8 500IU (mon,wed,fri) of HCG

week 14 40mg of Nolvadex

week 15 30mg of Nolvadex

week 16 20 mg of Nolvadex

I am wondering how this looks?

Plus, I want to throw in some Arimidex but not quite sure how that should be worked out.... and, I am very interested in frontloading. I've been doing alot of research on the half-life of Enanthate and I've pretty much come up with for the 1st week doing 1 gram, and objection to that?

I'd appreciate any help and thanks...

 

[oldfella]

Hey guys I'm getting ready to start a cycle and I've got a few questions. I'll get the basics out of the way.

I'm 33, 6'1, 185 pounds, and 14%bf. This is my 4th cycle but it's been a few years since my last one. During the cycle I will be taking milk thistle and saw palmetto on top of the cranberry and multivitamin I already take. I have a pretty healthy diet and I know that I'm gonna have to pound the food for this one.

Now my cycle looks like:

weeks 1-12 500mg per week of Test Enanthate

weeks 1-4 40mg per day of D-Bol

weeks 4 & 8 500IU (mon,wed,fri) of HCG

week 14 40mg of Nolvadex

week 15 30mg of Nolvadex

week 16 20 mg of Nolvadex

I am wondering how this looks?

Plus, I want to throw in some Arimidex but not quite sure how that should be worked out.... and, I am very interested in frontloading. I've been doing alot of research on the half-life of Enanthate and I've pretty much come up with for the 1st week doing 1 gram, and objection to that?

I'd appreciate any help and thanks...

I'm not sure where this idea of front loading came from but using test e it will not make any difference if you use 100mgs or 1000mgs, it is still going to take time to hit your system and start to really go to work. All you will achieve by this is hitting your receptors hard when it does kick in. Just start at your planned dose and keep that up for the duration of your cycle. Your cycle looked reasonable until I got to the 1gm for the first week bit. There will be no benefit to you doing this with a long estered test. Don't complicate things, simplicity works so very well with this.

 

[da-sol]

BUMP Oldfella I don't understand the 1G of test for frontloading. That's not they way to frontload.
You will be fine since you are doing d-bol. Stick to that plan.
As far as a-dex start taking it two weeks before cycle at .25MG ED.
It takes about two weeks to kick into your system.

 

[drob29]

bump the others...

and add this to your PCT

wk 14 clomid 100 mg ed
wk 15 and 16 clomid 50 mg ed

 

[6.8SPC]

6'1", 185 is skinny, those were my stats in high school as a TE (started at 140lbs. and 6ft at age 15). You should get up to at least 200 lbs. natural first before you start a cycle, otherwise you're wasting a growth plateau and a whole bunch of gear. Pay your dues.

 

[drob29]

6'1", 185 is skinny, those were my stats in high school as a TE (started at 140lbs. and 6ft at age 15). You should get up to at least 200 lbs. natural first before you start a cycle, otherwise you're wasting a growth plateau and a whole bunch of gear. Pay your dues.

HUGE bump. I missed that, and I am usually all over that one. Get to 200 lbs min before you cycle. If you cant gain now naturally then your diet is off the mark.

Also, when you do the cycle, the milk thistle is a weak liver protector. Get some sythergine. Your liver will thank you

 

[Skylerstone]

Thanks guys for your thoughts... I realize the "skinny" factor is a problem trust me it's been a problem my whole life. I've put alot of time and money into nutritionists and personal trainers to overcome that problem. I want to put the weight on the right way and not eating whatever is put in front of me. Sorry I may not have been doing this as long as most of you but I've been working on this problem for close to 10 years... Again, no disrespect, but I have tried more than a few times to do it the "natural" way.

 

[oldfella]

Thanks guys for your thoughts... I realize the "skinny" factor is a problem trust me it's been a problem my whole life. I've put alot of time and money into nutritionists and personal trainers to overcome that problem. I want to put the weight on the right way and not eating whatever is put in front of me. Sorry I may not have been doing this as long as most of you but I've been working on this problem for close to 10 years... Again, no disrespect, but I have tried more than a few times to do it the "natural" way.

I hear ya about the time and money thing, I also hear ya about "NUTRITIONISTS AND TRAINERS". Without ragging on these so called experts there is one man here that I suggest you contact and I will tell you he is worth every friggin penny you pay him, PHIL HERNON!! Pm him and let him guide you, you will not regret it, and for the money he is incredibly reasonable.

 

[bpm1]

frontloading

I'm not sure where this idea of front loading came from but using test e it will not make any difference if you use 100mgs or 1000mgs, it is still going to take time to hit your system and start to really go to work. All you will achieve by this is hitting your receptors hard when it does kick in. Just start at your planned dose and keep that up for the duration of your cycle. Your cycle looked reasonable until I got to the 1gm for the first week bit. There will be no benefit to you doing this with a long estered test. Don't complicate things, simplicity works so very well with this.

well here's the guts of frontloading, ive pasted this from another board and was origionaly posted by marcus300
Standard cycle of 500mgs per week

Week 1- 500mg used........After 7 days 250mg left - so active test delivered in that wk 250mg

Week 2 - 500mg used.......+ 250mg (left over) = 750mg - test active for that wk = 375mg

Week 3 - 500mg used.......+375mg (left over)= 875mg - test active for that wk=437.5mg

Week 4 - 500mg used........+437.5mg(left over)=937.5mg - test active for that wk=488.7mg

Week 5 - 500mg used........+488.7mg(left over)=988.7mg - test active for that wk=494.3mg

Week 6 - 500mg used........+494.3mg(left over)=994.3mg - test active for that wk=497.1mg

Week 7 - 500mg used........+497.1mg(left over)=997.1- test active for that week=498.5mg

And so on...............

Takes 7 weeks to get the full weekly dose of 500mgs

250mg in the first wk
375mg in the second wk
437.5mg in the third wk
488.7mg in the fourth wk
494.3mg in the fifth wk
497.1mg in the sixth wk
498.5mg in the seventh wk
Front loaded cycle of 500mg per week -

Week 1 - 1000mg used.......After 7 days 500mg left - so active test delivered in that 1st week 500mg....bingo!!!!
Then back to the normal dose of 500mg per wk, job done!
anyway i do understand what you're saying about the longer ester but achieving the higher and stable blood levels will deffinately speed up the cumulative effect of the long ester and you will see the results sooner.that being said alot of guys opt to do that instead of using an oral kicker, but some do both(i have and was happy with the results) anyway thought id give my 2cents, peace!

 

[6.8SPC]

Thanks guys for your thoughts... I realize the "skinny" factor is a problem trust me it's been a problem my whole life. I've put alot of time and money into nutritionists and personal trainers to overcome that problem. I want to put the weight on the right way and not eating whatever is put in front of me. Sorry I may not have been doing this as long as most of you but I've been working on this problem for close to 10 years... Again, no disrespect, but I have tried more than a few times to do it the "natural" way.

I meant no disrespect by my post either, so I hope you were not offended. There has been a wave of newbies lately that seem to be looking for the 'easy' way. By your response I don't think you are one of them. If you feel you have exhausted every possiblity and choose to use gear that is certainly your choice to make. I come from a very ectomorphic background myself, (my father was 6'4", 190 lbs.) so I know what it's like to fight against the scale. As I said before, when I was 15 I weighed 140 lbs. at 6ft (sucked). I had the hormonal surge of puberty on my side, yes, but was able to claw my way up to about 205-210 naturally at 6' 1", late last year I ran my first cycle and now sit right around 218 'off' at 26 yrs. old. One more thing worthy of mention is maybe look into getting doctor-prescribed HRT. If you are having trouble gaining muscle and are sincerely eating enough to gain, then maybe you have low test/hormone levels. It is not uncommon for guys in their thirties to be eligible for testosterone replacement. Get some recent blood work done and have your free test, FSH, LH, estradiol, cortisol, etc. checked. If you are low then you can get test legally and don't have to worry about potentially breaking the law. Just food for thought, trying to help you out. Take care bro.