dbol vs prohormones

[Creation]

I know its against the masses to run a dbol only cycle, but why is this when lots of people are taking mdrol , pplex ,hdrol etc. and getting good gains and keeping most of it..wouldnt it be the same case with a dbol only cycle?

 

[buselmo]

broscience...
there's no merit to their logic... dbol only cycles are bad for only one reason... you gain 20 lbs, then you lose 10 after your cycle and you get depressed that you look smaller than you did on cycle

4 weeks on Dbol PROBABLY does less damage than 4 weeks of SuperDrol or whatever it's called these days...

 

[Ehren]

I agree. They both build muscle but the damage (or lack of) from PH's is unknown. Could be better or could be worse. There is just not a lot of data on these new methylated compounds.

One point though, I have talked to many users of superdrol, dbol, phera etc. and they ALL seem to lose some of the gains. As Buselmo said, it's just water weight and IMO for many users, it's poorly planned PCT. If you know this about Dbol and water-loss, don't sweat it.

 

[buselmo]

I agree. They both build muscle but the damage (or lack of) from PH's is unknown. Could be better or could be worse. There is just not a lot of data on these new methylated compounds.

Oh, trust me... the damages are known and well documented (not medically, but there are people who are lab rats)... I remember this dude with the nickname SuperSoldier or something in the AM boards... he worked in a lab and he would do frequent blood tests for just about everything (cuz they were free and he'd do'em himself, if i'm not mistaken)... i've read his labs on M1T and SDrol... that's some fucked up shit right there.
no wonder 20 mg per day for 3 week would give you those results... it's fucking rat poison mixed with uranium or something! LOL! seriously... no joke... dem shits is strong and bad. i'd take my pinkies over that crap any day of the week without thinking twice.

 

[asteelz]

superdrol was the only thing to mess up my blood work bad enough for my doc to say something.

 

[Creation]

hey buselmo you have the links to any of that stuff by any chance


whats worse really dbol or PH's?

 

[Johnny Thrust]

Funny how people will group all of the pro-steroid/prohormones into one class and say that every one of em is toxic and they kill your liver. Get real. Many of the PH's curently available are NON methylated and do little damage to any of your bodies organs or functions. It seems to me that people just like to parrot everything theyve heard or read and act like they are the authority on this subject. Aspirin can be hard on your liver. Alcohol is hard on your liver. Its all about following the recommended dosages and not staying on for more than 4-6 weeks. Dianabol is hard on your liver too. ALL methylated orals are hard on your system when used for an extended period. Every time Ive run a "tren" type PH Ive gained about 5 honest pounds of weight. The strength gains are great. Go on a Dbol binge for 6 weeks and get your bloodwork done. It wont be any better than if you had run PH's. The PH's that everyone is saying are toxic arent even prohormones. They are steroids. Period. Superdrol is a steroid people. Research it. Realize it. Understand it.

 

[Pristi1340]

Funny how people will group all of the pro-steroid/prohormones into one class and say that every one of em is toxic and they kill your liver. Get real. Many of the PH's curently available are NON methylated and do little damage to any of your bodies organs or functions. It seems to me that people just like to parrot everything theyve heard or read and act like they are the authority on this subject. Aspirin can be hard on your liver. Alcohol is hard on your liver. Its all about following the recommended dosages and not staying on for more than 4-6 weeks. Dianabol is hard on your liver too. ALL methylated orals are hard on your system when used for an extended period. Every time Ive run a "tren" type PH Ive gained about 5 honest pounds of weight. The strength gains are great. Go on a Dbol binge for 6 weeks and get your bloodwork done. It wont be any better than if you had run PH's. The PH's that everyone is saying are toxic arent even prohormones. They are steroids. Period. Superdrol is a steroid people. Research it. Realize it. Understand it.

yep and a strong 1 too

 

[Johnny Thrust]

If you get a little creative and put your mind to it, you can come up with some great cycles that are affordable and legal.
1 month of a methylated like Superdrol followed by
1 month of a non-meth like the trenbolone clones followed by
1 month of an anti-estrogen like Epistane or Novedex. You can really spice things up by throwing in Gaspari Superpump and Sizeon in the third month as well as your needed liver support. Dont laugh at the Gaspari stack. I just recently tried it and I have to say with conviction that this is the closest thing to a drug like effect Ive ever felt on legal supplements. Seriously. The stuff rocks. If you cant put on 5-10 pounds of solid muscle off of this 3 month cycle then you are in serious need of taking up another hobby.

 

[Oldlifter]

To give the answer in short, if I were to do steroids/pro-hor's/ect/ in the oral form, the reason I would NOT do them without test is becasue of the shut down of the hpta system. This is the reason for not doing ANY roid without a test base. Of cousre, if the oral is testoterone, then it doesn't matter.





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[Creation]

I found a PH still available it has

-10mg Supedrol
10mg p plex
25mg hdrol

per pill

2x/day

 

[EasyEJL]

I know its against the masses to run a dbol only cycle, but why is this when lots of people are taking mdrol , pplex ,hdrol etc. and getting good gains and keeping most of it..wouldnt it be the same case with a dbol only cycle?

no, because most of them are non-aromatizing, while dbol aromatizes into estrogen. So you get significantly more bloat and water retention with dbol than superdrol. You do lose some superdrol gains if you were ultra heavy on carbs on cycle as it seems superdrol allows for additional glycogen storage while you are on

 

[Ashop]

I know its against the masses to run a dbol only cycle, but why is this when lots of people are taking mdrol , pplex ,hdrol etc. and getting good gains and keeping most of it..wouldnt it be the same case with a dbol only cycle?

I would pick the DBOL anyday. I would run it with some testosterone though.

 

[animal eater]

I found a PH still available it has

-10mg Supedrol
10mg p plex
25mg hdrol

per pill

2x/day

Three liver killers in one. Not a good supplement to take.

 

[Magnum]

I know its against the masses to run a dbol only cycle, but why is this when lots of people are taking mdrol , pplex ,hdrol etc. and getting good gains and keeping most of it..wouldnt it be the same case with a dbol only cycle?

There is nothing wrong with a Dbol only cycle although I would run a small amount of test with it.

 

[claymore]

I would pick the DBOL anyday. I would run it with some testosterone though.

I agree with alin, i would choose the d-bol over any type of pro-hormone.

 

[1badboy]

dbol is "feel good" AAS

Here's my take on this- I've tried several PHs, including a mix something like ?Creator (sp?) posted above. Good solid strength gain, dry muscle, but after about 3 weeks I get very lethargic and it's hard to lift, and I definitely always quit by 4 weeks as the "feeling like crap" gets bad.

dbol on the other hand gives most people a "good feeling"- even though you will retain some amount of water, from some to LOTS (clean diet helps a lot in controlling water). Honestly dbol is a "feel good" AAS for most people. And more than likely cheaper than a PH/DS.

 

[0o0o0o]

There is nothing wrong with a Dbol only cycle although I would run a small amount of test with it.

lol thats a good one...now its not a Dbol only... I agree 100% tho

 

[0o0o0o]

But I would use
Ursodeoxycholic Acid -for liver
Fish Oil-4g ED
Liv 52

youll be good!

 

[mj34]

If you get a little creative and put your mind to it, you can come up with some great cycles that are affordable and legal.
1 month of a methylated like Superdrol followed by
1 month of a non-meth like the trenbolone clones followed by
1 month of an anti-estrogen like Epistane or Novedex. You can really spice things up by throwing in Gaspari Superpump and Sizeon in the third month as well as your needed liver support. Dont laugh at the Gaspari stack. I just recently tried it and I have to say with conviction that this is the closest thing to a drug like effect Ive ever felt on legal supplements. Seriously. The stuff rocks. If you cant put on 5-10 pounds of solid muscle off of this 3 month cycle then you are in serious need of taking up another hobby.

Is it true you have to run these tren clones at doses of 160 and up to see results? That is what many have said. What about in the case of using epi and tren then can the doses be around 120 for the tren to still see good results? Last but not least, trenadrol did test out to be Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione (TREN) right? Thanks.