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Deca + Test - Help

ElTigre

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I am interested in learning from you guys as to what you might consider to be (generally speaking, of course) the lowest possible dose of deca to make any gains. I recently used 20mg TC/day (140mg/week) along with 100mg ND/week. I realize that is a low dose, but I didn't notice any real changes. Both rx so unlikely that quality is an issue.

I'm confused as to how to manage incorporating deca into what is basically a TRT dose of test. Labs after this last course had my E2 at 82, which is higher than it has ever been. No AI, but I do have low dose AI on hand if you think that is a good idea (.125mg 2x/week). I did notice some unwanted mental side effects (jealousy, etc) that I hadn't experienced before...hard to say whether that is the deca itself or the high E2.

Questions:

- What do you consider the lowest weekly dose of deca to make any gains? And how long would you run this dose for?
- How would you adjust your Test Cyp dose when adding in this deca dose - increase, decrease, leave unchanged?

Thanks!
 

mexbeast

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El tigre, esres ispano?
If you read the literature you need to use 2mgs/lb of body weight, for deca so for me that would mean using 400mgs a week
And based on experience i would need 400mgs of test per week, so for me i would do 400mgs of each. But in reality you could easily make good gains on either 200 test 400 deca or or 400 test and 200 deca. Hope that helps
 

BIG_MUSCLES

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I am interested in learning from you guys as to what you might consider to be (generally speaking, of course) the lowest possible dose of deca to make any gains. I recently used 20mg TC/day (140mg/week) along with 100mg ND/week. I realize that is a low dose, but I didn't notice any real changes. Both rx so unlikely that quality is an issue.

I'm confused as to how to manage incorporating deca into what is basically a TRT dose of test. Labs after this last course had my E2 at 82, which is higher than it has ever been. No AI, but I do have low dose AI on hand if you think that is a good idea (.125mg 2x/week). I did notice some unwanted mental side effects (jealousy, etc) that I hadn't experienced before...hard to say whether that is the deca itself or the high E2.

Questions:

- What do you consider the lowest weekly dose of deca to make any gains? And how long would you run this dose for?
- How would you adjust your Test Cyp dose when adding in this deca dose - increase, decrease, leave unchanged?

Thanks!
Using to much gear is very bad for health but using to less can only crash your natural production . So 400 to 500 each test and deca will give you great gains with very low sides .
 

Care1

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I've experimented with low dose deca/deca based HRT.
First I'm early 50's.
With my genetics just about anything works and I don't need much.
Having said that:
I did a cycle that started at 50mgs deca EW
100mgs Mast EW
I didn't feel much but that may have meant it was working bc I was old and it didn't hurt too much! lol I was easing back into heavier(relative) lifting.
After 4 weeks I gained strength and I upped my dose to a whopping 75mgs deca and 150mgs Mast E.
I lifted every other day and in between I walked 2-2.5 miles with calesthenics or agility or plyo every block.
Example: cherry pickers, next block cariocas, next block skipping/bounding....etc...
I started leaning out, getting bigger, and hurting less- meaning like I felt more ease of movement in my joints and better sitting and standing.
I did that dose for 4 more weeks and I said let me not get carried away here bc people are starting to look- like they do at muscular guys and people are starting to say those stupid things like I used to be about your size or I have a friend about your size....how much you bench....blah blah blah
I made gains and felt great but I'm sure I was negatively affecting my cholesterol with the mast E- even though it was a low dose. Also I have a good base(from the past) and am not a small built guy in the first place.
Having said that: was it the gear, the training, my determination????
Probably a combo like always. I went back on my normal TRT(100mgs test e EW) and I kept alot of it but slowly over time I lost some bc I lost training intensity and consistency and definitely determination.
But what I noticed the most is I definitely felt better physically on the deca. Even with the mast drying me out some. I'm one that deca bloats big time and I mean everywhere even in my organs I think- lol
So for me I definitely felt the deca as far as in my joints and my healing/recuperating time.
Now I'm not trying to make huge gains. I'm a hair over 6' and 240-248 lbs 12-13% BF(assumption) normally.
I was probably 242-244 and closer to 10% on that mini old man cycle.
I also experimented on my TRT with Deca but that was a few years ago. I think I did 75TE/75mgsDeca EW and held too much water for me. I could have managed that but I wasn't trying to use a bunch of pharmaceuticals with my past I always worry about liver/kidneys.
I think alot of my brightened-day on TRT comes from the dopamine boost of test tbh.
But I felt and saw the deca doing what deca does at 75mgs a week along with the mast e. I mean I only didn't hurt as much on 50mgs a week. But on 75mg a week I felt it in my movement and stillness and saw it in my face(collagen production increase- or maybe it just was face bloat? lol)

I know I know teeny tiny doses are ridiculous but I'm old already big enough(gravity is not a friend to longevity) and just trying to feel better than I already do. So if you already feel good emotionally, psychologically, spiritually and somewhat physically- the need to feel better is lessened- for me at least.

But that's my experience with no bloods or anything but feels on the 50 then 75mgs deca along with 100 then 150mgs mast e and a few years ago with 75TE/75Deca EW as TRT.

Take what you can use and leave the rest.
 

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