DNP and pregnancy q's????

[jesse7159]

so a good friend of mine and his wife of five years are both competitive bodybuilders and were getting ready for a local show and were both taking dnp to lose some bodyfat. long story short she is now 6 weeks pregnant and been off dnp for a month and pulled out of the show because of it. so my bros question is since this baby was an "accident" (by that I mean unplanned) and concieved during them both using dnp do you guys think the chemicals that dnp is could have affected the development of the child in that early of a stage? she is kinda freakin out about it and contemplating abortion (which i know isnt the best idea) if the baby will be all messed up from it. any feedback would help guys, thanks.

 

[james001]

oh.. I can only imagine the possible side effects of a baby brought to term conceived while the sperm donor and the egg carrier were both on dnp.

I envision scenes from *the fly* or maybe a sizable cockroach.

honestly I have no clue.. but birth defects have to be a possibility... with things like this you pretty much have to take a *lets wait and see* approach.

abort or take your chances.

by the way... I think most babies are *unplanned* and I think they make the best babies.. they're survivors.

 

[jesse7159]

oh.. I can only imagine the possible side effects of a baby brought to term conceived while the sperm donor and the egg carrier were both on dnp.

I envision scenes from *the fly* or maybe a sizable cockroach.

honestly I have no clue.. but birth defects have to be a possibility... with things like this you pretty much have to take a *lets wait and see* approach.

abort or take your chances.

by the way... I think most babies are *unplanned* and I think they make the best babies.. they're survivors.

lol yeah either way that kid will be a freak they're both genetically gifted. i just know theyre on the fence about what to do but i dunno either

 

[Phidias]

Judging by sperm color while on dnp (it turns from clear to a dark yellow ), it's more than legitimate to wonder if it's the color only that's affected... I have no answer but we can just hope for the child (and his parents) that's the case.

"Funny" thing though would be the kid becoming obese...

 

[mike1107]

I would be scared for the baby if I was them

 

[Force245]

I would be scared for the baby if I was them

That is what I was thinking.... The first three months is the most important part of the pregnancy. Everythig influences during this time. Drug use, body heat.... eating... everything. I would be fearful.

 

[Muskelprötzele]

I think a good suggestion would be to tell your friend to pay a visit to a well-informed doctor and ask him/her about the sorts of risks involved...just my 2 cents.

 

[willylee]

I think a good suggestion would be to tell your friend to pay a visit to a well-informed doctor and ask him/her about the sorts of risks involved...just my 2 cents.

I would bet her OB/GYN wouldn't have a clue. In the short time I looked online I didn't find one reference to the tetragenic effects caused by DNP in humans or animals. They are kinda flying blind on this one. Hope all works out well for them.

 

[Chrysler]

Being one of the super unpopular pro-life supporters. I think this is one of those extenuating circumstances that call for abortion. I'd of course talk to a doctor, a good doctor that is, if I was them and be honest with him or her. Seriously, DNP? That's gotta fuck up the kid, especially in that early of a stage of development. You're not even supposed to smoke or drink caffeine while you're pregnant. Everything that mom takes in internally so does the unborn child. Grab the coat hanger IMO.

 

[parrajm]

dnp is a metabolic POISON. If the woman was on chemo she wouldn't want to go through with the pregnancy, so she probably wouldn't want to go through with it while on dnp. Granted, chemo and dnp are not quite the same but ffs, i doubt any form of poison would have anything less than terrible effects on embryonic development.

 

[Retriever]

Here's a three page thread about it:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/w...np-dinitrophenol-future-pregnancy-214704.html

 

[Designbuilt]

It's a tough question, what they need to do is find out if there have been any specific studies relating to this, fetus exposed to this type of toxin.

Then of course the 3-D untra sounds early on usually at about week 12 or so, to specifically look for any abnormalities. (they usually use these types of untra sounds for high risk women, usually over 35 or with a history of birth defects) My wife had one because she was older when she had our son. They are extremely clear and show every little possible flaw in the fetus. Then of course if anything causes concern further tests can be performed, I forgot the name, but fluid is extracted from the fetus. (that's assuming the baby survives to that stage)

The problem is that very little is known about intentionally taking DNP by the medical community, I have never taken it, but I've done a lot of reading on it for several years now.

However, there are numerous studies relating to how different toxins may possibly affect the fetus, and that would give them a place to start, the important thing is to be completely honest with the doctor from the beginning, if he/she can't help they can refer someone who can.

 

[jesse7159]

thanks for all the replys guys. your info is really helping. I myself had similar views on the impact on dnp that couldnt be good especially that early in pregnancy there just isnt any reasearch out there to really know the effects on a fetus. I totally agree with the post above about the doctor not having a clue. I assumed that would happen that why I turned to you guys. she probably will abort because they are both scared to death to possibly have a child that only god knows what kind of future the kid would have. My prior experience with dnp led me to believe that it would be terrible to expose a child to that but they felt they needed a second, third or fourth opinion on what to do by other people that have used it. I thank you guys for the feedback.

 

[oldfella]

Look back in history. Pesticides containing DDT were banned because of the risk not only to health but birth defects as well. DNP is a poison, it is used industrially for many applications. Thalidamide was responsible for horrific deformities in developing babies. Plenty of evidence points to the probability that there will be problems, but there is that word probability!!! It is a huge gamble!

 

[james001]

Look back in history. Pesticides containing DDT were banned because of the risk not only to health but birth defects as well. DNP is a poison, it is used industrially for many applications. Thalidamide was responsible for horrific deformities in developing babies. Plenty of evidence points to the probability that there will be problems, but there is that word probability!!! It is a huge gamble!

well sir you appear to smarter than you look... every post I read of yours... you actually make an effort to address questions. and you do do a halfway decent job. I salute you.

by the way... I really have no idea what you look like... this is my feeble attempt at burying the hatchet which I'm sure never meant much to you in the first place.

either way i come to find myself enjoying your posts. and to a man like me that's worth more than paying my whore masseuse 8k every so often.

 

[oldfella]

well sir you appear to smarter than you look... every post I read of yours... you actually make an effort to address questions. and you do do a halfway decent job. I salute you.

by the way... I really have no idea what you look like... this is my feeble attempt at burying the hatchet which I'm sure never meant much to you in the first place.

either way i come to find myself enjoying your posts. and to a man like me that's worth more than paying my whore masseuse 8k every so often.

Like ART, there is more here than meets the eye!!

Feel free to pay me the 8k anytime you wish! And for the record, I never take anything on the net that seriously. No grudges here!

 

[thebrick]

I would come clean with their OB and have PLENTY of tests done. You are talking about a life here. I would not want to be in their shoes if the baby is full term and seriously harmed. They will never forgive themselves.

 

[alecaf]

I know abortion is a very heated issue. But bringing a suffering baby to life due to her use of drugs, is just a little bit worse than killing the baby.

 

[Conciliator]

Look back in history. Pesticides containing DDT were banned because of the risk not only to health but birth defects as well. DNP is a poison, it is used industrially for many applications. Thalidamide was responsible for horrific deformities in developing babies. Plenty of evidence points to the probability that there will be problems, but there is that word probability!!! It is a huge gamble!

I think everyone is overreacting here because of DNP's hyped up reputation. DNP is not DDT, so I don't see the point in mentioning the effects of other chemicals. It's definitely not the case that "plenty of evidence points to the probability that there will be problems". In fact, there is no human evidence of infertility or birth defects. There is research showing transient menstrual irregularity/amenorrhea while some women are on DNP, but this effect is also known to occur when women diet.

The available evidence and history suggest that DNP is not teratogenic and that DNP does not affect long-term fertility. An estimated 500,000 people took DNP in the 1930's and the majority of them were likely women. Birth defects and infertility were never noted in any case reports. That's not to say DNP is decidedly and absolutely safe (for example, alcohol, which was eventually linked to FAS), but the evidence and history thus far does not indicate that it's dangerous in these regards. If it does cause infertility or birth defects, the incidence rate is so low that it has escaped notice. Good rat and mouse models don't demonstrate teratogenicity with therapeutic doses. Further, the EPA's Report on Nitrophenols states that "Based on the available data it appears unlikely that the dinitrophenols pose a teratoqenic hazard to humans. Further investigations on this question are warranted."

In fact, there's good reason to think that low doses of DNP can be beneficial. By reducing or even eliminating mitochondrial oxidative stress, DNP has a protective effect. For example, there are now three studies in three different species showing that chronic, low-dose DNP administration results in extension of lifespan.

My personal opinion is that "fried eggs" and birth defects are highly unlikely, especially if DNP was present only around the time of conception. I also think that no pregnant women should be taking any diet pills.

Hope that helps,
Conciliator

 

[Jarconis]

that'd be badass if this kid's initials were ironically, DNP