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Doberman vs German Shepherd

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Have known folks with Dobermans and known folks with German Shepherds (GSDs). Both say they'd never go to another breed.

In two cases of folks with Dobermans I was struck with how intelligent the dogs were. For instance, after watching the family take family pictures outside on two occasions, the family noticed that whenever the camera came out, the dog would try to show its teeth. It was trying to smile lol Seriously, you say "cheese" the dog attempted to smile. Overall seemed to be great dogs.

I've never ever heard of a German Shepherd owner say they had a bad dog. Out of all breeds, I just have not heard a lot of negative on GSDs. A friend's GSD really took well to me (likely because it also liked my Great Dane and associated me with the Dane) but I had to watch his GSD over a week's time once. The dog was way less work than I had expected. Unlike my Dane, who needs me around a LOT, the GSD was very independent.

For instance, I let the GSD have the downstairs while my Dane and I slept upstairs in my room. I figured the next morning the GSD would come get me or attempt to wake me up. This was not the case. As long as she had a window to look from, she was content keeping watch on the home. I could take her in the vehicle with me and she was great in watching the vehicle at gas stations.

One really impressive story on the GSD's intelligence was when I had her on leash and intentionally split a street sign so that she was on one side of it, I was on the other and the leash became snagged on the sign. Wanting to see how she would react, I went ahead and wrapped the leash around the sign two turns clockwise. When she realized the leash had been snagged, she first tried to go counterclockwise but upon realizing the leash wasn't coming free she took a long look at the street sign (where I'd intentionally wrapped the leash) and proceeded to walk counterclockwise (twice) until the leash was free. That's a high level of intelligence and seems to be the norm in GSDs.

I'll probably decide on one breed or the other by year's end. I don't think I could go wrong with either. I've heard GSDs seem to be more difficult as pups (anecdotally). Also, GSDs have that long hair they shed a lot. On the other hand, Doberman's reportedly are not the healthiest breed. Anyone have experience with either? What are your impressions?
 

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I have GSDs. I'll never own a different breed. Very intelligent. Very loyal. Truly your best friend.
 

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Get another Dane! Nothing like having 2 of them. Love my Danes! I do like German Shepherds though as I had one when I was very young

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You can't go wrong with a GSD!

Just make sure it comes from a excellent breeding line, so you don't have hip problems. Spending good money up front on a dog is nothing, compared to what you spend on food and vet over it's life.

My GSD made it to fifteen and a half years old. Spent the first year of his life training for the Royal Australian Air Force, but failed his gun shy test (they just gave him away to me for free).

At 11 years old he became my farm dog and hunting dog when I moved out of the suburb's. He would sleep next to his food bowl, while chicken's and duck's ate his left overs. I would put abandoned new born lambs in his run with him for the first week, to keep them safe from foxes. But no one would enter my yard if he didn't know them, because he would go on the offensive.
 

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I have GSDs. I'll never own a different breed. Very intelligent. Very loyal. Truly your best friend.

Then just a few questions;

1. How long did it take until your dogs were truly housebroken?

2. How much barking do your dogs do?

3. Can your dogs do fine off leash?

4. How aggressive are your dogs in a public setting?
 

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You can't go wrong with a GSD!

Just make sure it comes from a excellent breeding line, so you don't have hip problems. Spending good money up front on a dog is nothing, compared to what you spend on food and vet over it's life.

My GSD made it to fifteen and a half years old. Spent the first year of his life training for the Royal Australian Air Force, but failed his gun shy test (they just gave him away to me for free).

At 11 years old he became my farm dog and hunting dog when I moved out of the suburb's. He would sleep next to his food bowl, while chicken's and duck's ate his left overs. I would put abandoned new born lambs in his run with him for the first week, to keep them safe from foxes. But no one would enter my yard if he didn't know them, because he would go on the offensive.

So when he became a farm dog, did he become an outside dog then or was he always?
 

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Get another Dane! Nothing like having 2 of them. Love my Danes! I do like German Shepherds though as I had one when I was very young

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Two danes means 3 couches. One for me, two for them lol

Danes ARE good, but mine bloated when he was 4 yrs old. I saved him because I had done my homework and caught it literally within 5 minutes and had him at the vet within 15 minutes. Fortunately he survived but I always wonder if I could cross a Dane with something with similar form (like a Doberman) and having a sort of hybrid dane which would be small enough to not have that short life span and would benefit from hybrid vigor of crossing two dissimilar breeds to make a sort of a Doberdane lol
 

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I’ve owned 4 Doberman pinchers(2 black and 2 blue), and 2 German Shepherds.
My favorite was the big black female Doberman Pincher. She was the most intelligent by far! She was beautiful with show quality genetics. The second before she died she put her paw on my hand like she was saying, “Goodbye!”
 

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So when he became a farm dog, did he become an outside dog then or was he always?

He was always a outside dog, but used to come inside sometimes to chill with a indoors only cat. He loved outside. Wouldn't even sleep inside his kennel, would sleep up on the flat roof of the kennel under the verandah. So he could see and hear everything.
 

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He was always a outside dog, but used to come inside sometimes to chill with a indoors only cat. He loved outside. Wouldn't even sleep inside his kennel, would sleep up on the flat roof of the kennel under the verandah. So he could see and hear everything.

With my friend's female GSD, the impression that most struck me was the dog's independence. Compared to the Dane (which I'm familiar with), the GSDs are super independent. Its not surprising considering they came from sheepherding
 

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He was always a outside dog, but used to come inside sometimes to chill with a indoors only cat. He loved outside. Wouldn't even sleep inside his kennel, would sleep up on the flat roof of the kennel under the verandah. So he could see and hear everything.

That's a big plus.
 

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Two danes means 3 couches. One for me, two for them lol

Danes ARE good, but mine bloated when he was 4 yrs old. I saved him because I had done my homework and caught it literally within 5 minutes and had him at the vet within 15 minutes. Fortunately he survived but I always wonder if I could cross a Dane with something with similar form (like a Doberman) and having a sort of hybrid dane which would be small enough to not have that short life span and would benefit from hybrid vigor of crossing two dissimilar breeds to make a sort of a Doberdane lol

Haha yes 2 Danes for me meant I didn't have a bed anymore as my female slept there and my male had the love seat lol

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I’ve owned 4 Doberman pinchers(2 black and 2 blue), and 2 German Shepherds.
My favorite was the big black female Doberman Pincher. She was the most intelligent by far! She was beautiful with show quality genetics. The second before she died she put her paw on my hand like she was saying, “Goodbye!”

Man, that sounds like it would have been very hard to see. The thing that makes a dog's death so tough to its master is that unlike humans, dogs are loyal to a fault. It's loyalty on a completely different level than the type humans have. Combine that with the short lives dog have, it has always struck me as a cosmic shit sandwich that dogs' lives are short.

I had my Dane at the vet's office and a girl asked me to please watch her Doberman for a few minutes. When she walked off the Doberman was just sitting in the chair completely disciplined and calm. As I talked to the Doberman I swear it had this look in its eyes and face that it could understand everything I was saying. I've seen intelligent eyes in dogs but this one was like genius level. I should have bought the dog from the owner lol
 

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Here are some photos of my Great Dane btw
 

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With my friend's female GSD, the impression that most struck me was the dog's independence. Compared to the Dane (which I'm familiar with), the GSDs are super independent. Its not surprising considering they came from sheepherding

I know a lady about a hour from my farm that trains sheep dogs, she specialises in training GSD for boundary hearding of sheep. So my next GSD I will be getting trained. Going to be interesting as I'm getting a Maremma dog, to live with the sheep for flock protection. Hopefully I can get them to be friends.
 

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I'm a dog man and train pro on the side. The state of the GSD is very bad in America. Hips, elbows, bloat, lumbar spine, and on and on and on

I saw a breeder tattoo her pups. I asked for the pink papers (denoting a dog breed under the more strict German system), only to find out she was simply tattooing to appear to be German-bred.

Dobermans have thier own issues like cardiac problem and on Willibrand.

Truthfully, if I wanted that type of dog, I would import from Germany or just buy a malinois.
 

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I know a lady about a hour from my farm that trains sheep dogs, she specialises in training GSD for boundary hearding of sheep. So my next GSD I will be getting trained. Going to be interesting as I'm getting a Maremma dog, to live with the sheep for flock protection. Hopefully I can get them to be friends.

You know, I'd never even heard of boundary herding until just now. Also, I don't think I've ever heard of the Maremma breed either. The Maremma looks a lot like a Great Pyrenees. I wonder how well a Belgian Malinois or Dutch Shepherd would do living with the flock? My neighbor's got a Mal and that dog is very hardy. It's outside 24/7, even on very cold nights and it never seems negatively affected
 

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