Estradiol on 1g Test

[Kaladryn]

I have some interesting bloodwork numbers to share, not because it's good or bad but because the information might be useful to others.

cycle:
1g test
350mg tren hex
350mg masteron

On 20mg/day Aromasin (kungfu master's):
E2: 107.7pg/mL (normal range 7.6-42.6)

One month later, after switching to 2.5mg/day phamacutical grade Letro (started immediately after last test):
E2: 98.8pg/mL

Normally get gyno easily, no signs of it even with E2 at those levels, I'm guessing this is due to competitive inhibition from all the test.

I also think tren may increase aromatase activity, or somehow inhibit AIs.

 

[mexbeast]

i don't agree that tren would increase aramatase activity. my theory is that we don't use a high enough dose of estrogen inhibitors, why? think about it 2.5mgs of letro is given to normal guys and it [letro] lowers estrogen by 85-95 % but normal guys only make about 7mgs/day of test; so will 2.5mgs of letro lower estrogen in someone who takes about 120mgs of test a day? only if we had a limited amount of aromatase enzymes! genetics also play a role in this very interesting results though.

 

[Kaladryn]

Someone recently like this post, so I thought I'd add a correction. @Hammer4

These E2 tests were done using ELISA mythology, which we know now cause Tren to show up as E2 to some degree (Tren has a relatively high affinity for the ER for an "androgen" if you can call it that).

You need LC/MS testing methodology to avoid this (also know as Estradiol Sensitive or Ultrasensitive).

 

[lynxeffect1]

I have some interesting bloodwork numbers to share, not because it's good or bad but because the information might be useful to others.

cycle:
1g test
350mg tren hex
350mg masteron

On 20mg/day Aromasin (kungfu master's):
E2: 107.7pg/mL (normal range 7.6-42.6)

One month later, after switching to 2.5mg/day phamacutical grade Letro (started immediately after last test):
E2: 98.8pg/mL

Normally get gyno easily, no signs of it even with E2 at those levels, I'm guessing this is due to competitive inhibition from all the test.

I also think tren may increase aromatase activity, or somehow inhibit AIs.

Didn't you previously mention your estrogen levels would be around 200pg/mL without an ai on 1g of test. Just curious if you still have a sex drive if left at that without an ai? And what's your total testosterone levels on 1g of test ?

 

[IceCream]

i don't agree that tren would increase aramatase activity. my theory is that we don't use a high enough dose of estrogen inhibitors, why? think about it 2.5mgs of letro is given to normal guys and it [letro] lowers estrogen by 85-95 % but normal guys only make about 7mgs/day of test; so will 2.5mgs of letro lower estrogen in someone who takes about 120mgs of test a day? only if we had a limited amount of aromatase enzymes! genetics also play a role in this very interesting results though.

agree - i lower my test dose to 175mg week now however still take 1ng adex eod even increase mast dose to - still feel good most time. ist impossible to have zero estro in you body - there is always estrogen present that is enough for health function
i use to be scare of crash estro but it not something to worry about in most guy

 

[BigRisk]

agree - i lower my test dose to 175mg week now however still take 1ng adex eod even increase mast dose to - still feel good most time. ist impossible to have zero estro in you body - there is always estrogen present that is enough for health function
i use to be scare of crash estro but it not something to worry about in most guy

And lets just say I dont feel the greatest

 

[BigRisk]

does anyone else respond to arimidex like this? For context that test was done two weeks out from a shot of test cyp 200mg and 100mg of tren e. With 1mg of arimidex once per week during thar two weeks prior to testing..total test came out to 86 ng/dl.. i was thinking that my total test would be bit higher but this was expected on my end just not the crashed estro

 

[IceCream]

And lets just say I dont feel the greatest

i dot know - i think low estro single digit be better for body store intramusclar water without subq water retention - if estro higher pumps are weaker and feel flat and soft

 

[IceCream]

i still feel fine other then that - just really tired sleep all day wit no energy to work out - bad cravings but i dont think that from low estro probalbly just other health stuff

 

[BigRisk]

i dot know - i think low estro single digit be better for body store intramusclar water without subq water retention - if estro higher pumps are weaker and feel flat and soft

Joint health, Estrogen influences the production of synovial fluid and I’m feeling it

 

[IceCream]

Joint health, Estrogen influences the production of synovial fluid and I’m feeling it

are you lose motivation energy to train ? that my big issue - every time i try i have shit workout just weak and exhausted

 

[BigRisk]

To much joint pain lol I’m struggling i gotta pump those estro numbers up. Those are rookie numbers just started my trt up no estro meds gonna wait till go on cycle then get blood work first then prolly just run nova if even needed…also started taking some dhea and pregno

 

[mexbeast]

does anyone else respond to arimidex like this? For context that test was done two weeks out from a shot of test cyp 200mg and 100mg of tren e. With 1mg of arimidex once per week during thar two weeks prior to testing..total test came out to 86 ng/dl.. i was thinking that my total test would be bit higher but this was expected on my end just not the crashed estro

Are you in Europe? The lowest normal number here in the States is 300. Do you have d-bol or dhea? Either of those two would raise your strogen

 

[BigRisk]

Are you in Europe? The lowest normal number here in the States is 300. Do you have d-bol or dhea? Either of those two would raise your strogen

Nope good ole USA and i been popping DHEA on day three.. got some anadrol coming my way so i may eat a few of them

 

[BigRisk]

Are you in Europe? The lowest normal number here in the States is 300. Do you have d-bol or dhea? Either of those two would raise your strogen

ELISA Range (pg/mL)

LC-MS Range (pg/mL)

Men.

10–50

10–40

Premenopausal Women

30–400

20–350

Postmenopausal Women

<30

<20

Maybe yall be getting that Premenopausal Women…

 

[gungalunga]

I have some interesting bloodwork numbers to share, not because it's good or bad but because the information might be useful to others.

cycle:
1g test
350mg tren hex
350mg masteron

On 20mg/day Aromasin (kungfu master's):
E2: 107.7pg/mL (normal range 7.6-42.6)

One month later, after switching to 2.5mg/day phamacutical grade Letro (started immediately after last test):
E2: 98.8pg/mL

Normally get gyno easily, no signs of it even with E2 at those levels, I'm guessing this is due to competitive inhibition from all the test.

I also think tren may increase aromatase activity, or somehow inhibit AIs.

Here's how aromasin effected me. Using 300mg of test C per week. 1st blood draw: 2509 total test, E2 at 206. I was taking 60mg of ralox per day to stop gyno. I didn't really feel any bad high estro side effects, but thought I better get on aromasin to bring E2 down. On 12.5mg of aromasin per day my later results were 2692 total test and 36 E2. The first E2 test was regular and the second was ultra sensitive. One of the reasons you aren't getting gyno with E2 floating around 100 is because you are also on 350mg of masteron. Mast acts like an E2 blocker competing for receptors which inhibits gyno growth. Without citing studies I'm telling broscience, but there is truth to it if you do some searching. I actually shrank my gyno down significantly using masteron, proviron, and nolva at different times during the last couple years. Was planning on getting gyno surgery, but now I don't need it.

 

[Skins]

i don't agree that tren would increase aramatase activity. my theory is that we don't use a high enough dose of estrogen inhibitors, why? think about it 2.5mgs of letro is given to normal guys and it [letro] lowers estrogen by 85-95 % but normal guys only make about 7mgs/day of test; so will 2.5mgs of letro lower estrogen in someone who takes about 120mgs of test a day? only if we had a limited amount of aromatase enzymes! genetics also play a role in this very interesting results though.

My thoughts:

(I am replying immediately without reading the comments there of, so….)

You’re incredibly increasing the “stress response” from your endocrine system. What were you expecting?