i used some a while ago. hanny gave it to his clients and branden day is a buddy of mine. i took one serving. it was freaking crazy. no stims but i trained hard as hell and did not get tired.it was crazy. branden would train sooooo long and still be intense....and he was on it all along. imho what being sold now is not the same stuff. i could be wrong.i havent tried the comercially availible stuff.
lucian