For those of you that have abuse in the past, what was life like afterwards?

[Salzberger]

I am talking about guys in situtions like Big A's... cruising for a career on 1000mg of test tripling that number for a contest... or other guys who never came off for yoears or took very infrequent breaks. What was life like afterwards? Did you ever feel like you fully recovered without HRT? If so, how long did it take? Any kids?

 

[smiler]

I am talking about guys in situtions like Big A's... cruising for a career on 1000mg of test tripling that number for a contest... or other guys who never came off for yoears or took very infrequent breaks. What was life like afterwards? Did you ever feel like you fully recovered without HRT? If so, how long did it take? Any kids?

hmmm have to get back to you in a few decades. already been over a decade no plan on coming "off" anytime soon. peace

 

[Thick1]

Truthfully, I have been on since the late 80's and have been pretty much none stop. At one time at my peak I was running in the area of 3.5 grams of test and deca (very stupid on my part) which caused terrible headaches, nose bleeds and blurred vision which was brought on by high blood pressure. I bridged my cycles for about 6 weeks at a time. But would go back onto a cycle right after the 6 weeks. I now run about 750 to 1 gram a week as trt.

I have high blood pressure which I take meds for and that keeps it under control. While in between a cycle I was able to have another girl.

I take LIV 52 and Milk Thistle and I have tried the Syntheteks liver detox which is the best IMO.

I also see my doctor every 3 months and have my blood tested. At this point I am 54 years old and have no major health problems. The only thing that did develop is that I became gyno prone which I take Letro and Nolvadex to keep in check.

Do I regret doing what I have done, YES which was doing mega dose cycles which was very stupid. I always was an advocate to use as little as you could to grow, but I got caught up in my stupidity in the believing that if 1 gram did this to me imagine if I took 2 grams, hummm maybe 3 grams would be better.

I will also admit that I am addicted to steroids as I now fear that should I stop I would look old and lose my size. I do also think that what I have done may cause big time health problems later down the road, but even with that the addiction part over rules the consequences. So becareful as we get so caught up with ourselves that we forget to look at what the dangers maybe down the road.

 

[roccoginge]

Truthfully, I have been on since the late 80's and have been pretty much none stop. At one time at my peak I was running in the area of 3.5 grams of test and deca (very stupid on my part) which caused terrible headaches, nose bleeds and blurred vision which was brought on by high blood pressure. I bridged my cycles for about 6 weeks at a time. But would go back onto a cycle right after the 6 weeks. I now run about 750 to 1 gram a week as trt.

I have high blood pressure which I take meds for and that keeps it under control. While in between a cycle I was able to have another girl.

I take LIV 52 and Milk Thistle and I have tried the Syntheteks liver detox which is the best IMO.

I also see my doctor every 3 months and have my blood tested. At this point I am 54 years old and have no major health problems. The only thing that did develop is that I became gyno prone which I take Letro and Nolvadex to keep in check.

Do I regret doing what I have done, YES which was doing mega dose cycles which was very stupid. I always was an advocate to use as little as you could to grow, but I got caught up in my stupidity in the believing that if 1 gram did this to me imagine if I took 2 grams, hummm maybe 3 grams would be better.

I will also admit that I am addicted to steroids as I now fear that should I stop I would look old and lose my size. I do also think that what I have done may cause big time health problems later down the road, but even with that the addiction part over rules the consequences. So becareful as we get so caught up with ourselves that we forget to look at what the dangers maybe down the road.

1 a week, more power to you sir.

 

[maldorf]

Truthfully, I have been on since the late 80's and have been pretty much none stop. At one time at my peak I was running in the area of 3.5 grams of test and deca (very stupid on my part) which caused terrible headaches, nose bleeds and blurred vision which was brought on by high blood pressure. I bridged my cycles for about 6 weeks at a time. But would go back onto a cycle right after the 6 weeks. I now run about 750 to 1 gram a week as trt.

I have high blood pressure which I take meds for and that keeps it under control. While in between a cycle I was able to have another girl.

I take LIV 52 and Milk Thistle and I have tried the Syntheteks liver detox which is the best IMO.

I also see my doctor every 3 months and have my blood tested. At this point I am 54 years old and have no major health problems. The only thing that did develop is that I became gyno prone which I take Letro and Nolvadex to keep in check.

Do I regret doing what I have done, YES which was doing mega dose cycles which was very stupid. I always was an advocate to use as little as you could to grow, but I got caught up in my stupidity in the believing that if 1 gram did this to me imagine if I took 2 grams, hummm maybe 3 grams would be better.

I will also admit that I am addicted to steroids as I now fear that should I stop I would look old and lose my size. I do also think that what I have done may cause big time health problems later down the road, but even with that the addiction part over rules the consequences. So becareful as we get so caught up with ourselves that we forget to look at what the dangers maybe down the road.

That was me, but I only made it 9 years then I had my heart attack at age 38.

 

[Michaelthomasj]

Truthfully, I have been on since the late 80's and have been pretty much none stop. At one time at my peak I was running in the area of 3.5 grams of test and deca (very stupid on my part) which caused terrible headaches, nose bleeds and blurred vision which was brought on by high blood pressure. I bridged my cycles for about 6 weeks at a time. But would go back onto a cycle right after the 6 weeks. I now run about 750 to 1 gram a week as trt.

I have high blood pressure which I take meds for and that keeps it under control. While in between a cycle I was able to have another girl.

I take LIV 52 and Milk Thistle and I have tried the Syntheteks liver detox which is the best IMO.

I also see my doctor every 3 months and have my blood tested. At this point I am 54 years old and have no major health problems. The only thing that did develop is that I became gyno prone which I take Letro and Nolvadex to keep in check.

Do I regret doing what I have done, YES which was doing mega dose cycles which was very stupid. I always was an advocate to use as little as you could to grow, but I got caught up in my stupidity in the believing that if 1 gram did this to me imagine if I took 2 grams, hummm maybe 3 grams would be better.

I will also admit that I am addicted to steroids as I now fear that should I stop I would look old and lose my size. I do also think that what I have done may cause big time health problems later down the road, but even with that the addiction part over rules the consequences. So becareful as we get so caught up with ourselves that we forget to look at what the dangers maybe down the road.

Great response thick..very open and honest

 

[Thebigone]

You dont recover after years and years of major aas abuse. I still dont buy it. maybe 1 outta every 100 guys can but just prepare yourself for hrt if you stay on over a year.

 

[Dial_tone]

I've never megadosed but I did come off self-prescribed HRT 100-200mg/week cold turkey after 3.5 years. It took about 6 months to feel normal again. That was about 2 years ago. I went back on recently just because I felt so soft and weight was creeping up. I'm now back on self-prescribed HRT with a 10-12 week cycle twice a year.

 

[Salzberger]

You dont recover after years and years of major aas abuse. I still dont buy it. maybe 1 outta every 100 guys can but just prepare yourself for hrt if you stay on over a year.

This is the point of this thread. THis is what I am trying to figure out. I have been "abusing" not quite to the point of 3.5g per week, but I was basically on for 2 years with four 6-8 weeks breaks in there After my first cycle my test levels were at 700 at age 27. After my second to last one, I was at 344ng/dl 6 weeks post cycle. I went back on a little too quick and am attempting a full recovery as we speak. I am about 6 weeks post cycle but I know that I am not near recovered yet so a blood tes isn't in order at the moment. I am barely 30 so I feel that the possiblitity is good. Nolva and CLomid didn't work so well this go around. I know that some of my friends have had extremely good success with Fareston (Tor)... I'm talking COMPLETE recovery in 30 days after 6 month cycles wih this drug.

 

[gordo14]

Give as many weeks off cycle as you were on before expecting full recovery if any at all. Plus this is to individual, each persons body may react a little differently.

And people have recovered after two or more years of being on.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Why does everyone fear HRT the rest of their lives? Have you ever seen a man improve physically muscularity wise from the age of 40 to 60 who was natural? Your endo testosterone whether you use steroids or not is most likely going to be lower after the age of 35.....so here are your choices.

Stay natural and disenegrate from 40 years old onward

Juice and then get off at 40 and disenegrate from 40 years old onward.

The reason men look pretty much the same from 20 to 40 muscularity wise is because they dont have a huge skewering of their testosterone. 40 to 60?.....disenegration city

Want a one way ticket to huge health problems whether you are a juicer or natural? Let your endo test levels get really low post 40 years of age.....

I always get a chuckle out of this concept "oh im so scared of having to use HRT the rest of my life"

Uhhhh what if you are actually healthier on HRT!!!!! (and that goes for whether you were an abuser or never used steroids in your life.

Anybody out there know of a man 66 years old walking around with the same endogenous testosterone levels he had when he was 26......please let me know if you have......because I sure as hell havent heard of it.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Why does everyone fear HRT the rest of their lives? Have you ever seen a man improve physically muscularity wise from the age of 40 to 60 who was natural? Your endo testosterone whether you use steroids or not is most likely going to be lower after the age of 35.....so here are your choices.

Stay natural and disenegrate from 40 years old onward

Juice and then get off at 40 and disenegrate from 40 years old onward.

The reason men look pretty much the same from 20 to 40 muscularity wise is because they dont have a huge skewering of their testosterone. 40 to 60?.....disenegration city

Want a one way ticket to huge health problems whether you are a juicer or natural? Let your endo test levels get really low post 40 years of age.....

I always get a chuckle out of this concept "oh im so scared of having to use HRT the rest of my life"

Uhhhh what if you are actually healthier on HRT!!!!! (and that goes for whether you were an abuser or never used steroids in your life.

Anybody out there know of a man 66 years old walking around with the same endogenous testosterone levels he had when he was 26......please let me know if you have......because I sure as hell havent heard of it.

Phenomenal post DC!


As to the original question and my own personal experience(s)...I've been OFF, everything, since last July, and I "feel" great. I am much smaller, but have gained some fat in the process. I haven't had any testing done on my endo-HPGA, but I 'Feel' good from a day-to-day stand-point. I'm not saying I feel like I did when I was in my early 20's, as I am 34 years old now.

No excuses, but I haven't even been to the gym since last July. Again, from a physical appearance stand-point, I don't look all that great right now, but I have been productive and enjoyed my life since d/c 'stuff' and the gym.


I don't plan on NOT going back to the gym, just have had to put a lot of things on hold (for the time being). I had a stomach virus last summer, and stopped 'stuff' and the gym expecting to go get back on track after I felt better. About 2 weeks after I started feeling better, in August, my fiance's grandmother had a stroke, and from that point until this past January (2010), I just devoted everything to helping my fiance take care of her G-ma. I could have fit in the gym time if I wanted too, but I just didn't want to...but I was fine with that. Her G-ma died in January, so I can look back and say with complete faith that i did everything I could to help others out. It felt great to be honost.

Anyway, I am doing a hectic dietetic internship schedule right now for 2010, and have been busy putting my efforts into that for the time being.

I'm going to start back at the gym soon hopefully, but for sure I am going to at least hit the cardio, I have not been doing that at all, and there really isn't any excuse for it.

But any way, i've used miniscule doses up to 3'ish grams of gear since i was 19 years of age, if that helps at all. Never really had any bad lab values come back during all that time. I have got checked out 1-2x/yr most of that time either from the free University Health center checks, & working in clinics and hospitals. The worse side I have had was gyno, but had that removed 3 years ago. Maybe i'm lucky though. The fiance and I are going to try to have a child at this time, so not sure when i'll go back 'on.'

I agree with DC, HRT doesn't have to be looked at like you are joining the darkside, if it means a person will ultimately benefit from it and have BETTER health. So many men have had a turn-around for the better with their lives from HRT. The board i MOD at, there are LOTS of older guys who post their benefits, and are in great health.

Fukk, not sure where i'm going with all this

Anyway, my 2 cents


BMJ

 

[maxtrax]

Excellent post Doggcrapp!

My father is 62yrs old and takes 300mgs of test and 4ius of Gh and is loving life. He has a bluecollar job, out works the younger guys and lives a very active life. Everybody should be on HRT.

 

[dr intensity]

Why does everyone fear HRT the rest of their lives? Have you ever seen a man improve physically muscularity wise from the age of 40 to 60 who was natural? Your endo testosterone whether you use steroids or not is most likely going to be lower after the age of 35.....so here are your choices.

Stay natural and disenegrate from 40 years old onward

Juice and then get off at 40 and disenegrate from 40 years old onward.

The reason men look pretty much the same from 20 to 40 muscularity wise is because they dont have a huge skewering of their testosterone. 40 to 60?.....disenegration city

Want a one way ticket to huge health problems whether you are a juicer or natural? Let your endo test levels get really low post 40 years of age.....

I always get a chuckle out of this concept "oh im so scared of having to use HRT the rest of my life"

Uhhhh what if you are actually healthier on HRT!!!!! (and that goes for whether you were an abuser or never used steroids in your life.

Anybody out there know of a man 66 years old walking around with the same endogenous testosterone levels he had when he was 26......please let me know if you have......because I sure as hell havent heard of it.

and what advice would you give to competitors who still compete despite of
heart problems( a famous pro competed after a heart attack)... and to the competitors who compete in thier 50s and 60s?

 

[Salzberger]

Why does everyone fear HRT the rest of their lives? Have you ever seen a man improve physically muscularity wise from the age of 40 to 60 who was natural? Your endo testosterone whether you use steroids or not is most likely going to be lower after the age of 35.....so here are your choices.

Stay natural and disenegrate from 40 years old onward

Juice and then get off at 40 and disenegrate from 40 years old onward.

The reason men look pretty much the same from 20 to 40 muscularity wise is because they dont have a huge skewering of their testosterone. 40 to 60?.....disenegration city

Want a one way ticket to huge health problems whether you are a juicer or natural? Let your endo test levels get really low post 40 years of age.....

I always get a chuckle out of this concept "oh im so scared of having to use HRT the rest of my life"

Uhhhh what if you are actually healthier on HRT!!!!! (and that goes for whether you were an abuser or never used steroids in your life.

Anybody out there know of a man 66 years old walking around with the same endogenous testosterone levels he had when he was 26......please let me know if you have......because I sure as hell havent heard of it.

I certainly am not scared of HRT at 40+, but will probably be there. Right now I don't want to be there because I am only 30 and I don't have any children. I don't want to potentially shut the door on that. I just worry that my abuse of the past 2.5 years has put me in a position were I will be fertile BUT miserable unless I explore replacement therapy because my test levels may never even reach 400 again.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

and what advice would you give to competitors who still compete despite of
heart problems( a famous pro competed after a heart attack)... and to the competitors who compete in thier 50s and 60s?

That if you decide to play 'risk my health' cards with the devil dont complain about the hand you were dealt later on.

 

[Ivan]

Anybody out there know of a man 66 years old walking around with the same endogenous testosterone levels he had when he was 26......please let me know if you have......because I sure as hell havent heard of it.

Clark Kent -- he is 72..

 

[hemipower]

Well, I am "only 30" but on HRT and plan to stay on. A couple times a year I kick the dosage up and do a "cycle" of a couple of different compounds in addition but most of the time stay around 200-300mg test a week. I feel pretty good...I don't LIKE the fact that I need to be on it all the time forever but I feel in the long run my quality of life will be much better. Which is very important. I don't have kids and someday would like to so I keep hcg and hmg and am experimenting with them to make certain I can keep the boys running.

Typical for me is 250iu of hcg 3x a wk with my test shot mid week at 200-300mg. I stay around 218 lbs and 10-12% bodyfat at 5'10" - I throw gh in at 3-4 iu a day when I can afford and will be permanently on peptides very soon. (anyone know why HALF of the peptide sites are GONE??? I hope it is not some legal crap w them now...wanted to be on my prescribed test and legal peps only for the next couple of years and see how I do)

I have abused in the past for sure...back in my competitive days I did 1200mg test and 1200mg deca weekly with 100-150mg of dbol a day and was huge and strong and felt like GARBAGE. Nose bleeds and 12 lbs of water weight on me at around 250 lbs. Never really recovered after a couple of those my test levels even after "proper" pct would rebound to levels of a 55-60 yr old man and I would be soft and depressed and weak...so next step was hrt (and some self prescribed higher dose periods in winter for size and mid summer for getting leaner).

Have not completed my first full year yet but I am happy so far. I dont look as shredded as I did before....or get as big but I also dont go through the crash and misery and look/feel like absolute crap for several months a year. Only problem is, it seems my libido is gone. I ONLY take test, a little hcg and gh because I want to keep my drugs at a minimum and not worry about taking this for some problem then it creates side effects that you take that for...and before you know it you are on antiprolactin, antiE, tren, test, gh, hcg, proviron, etc etc...I dont think it should have to be that difficult. Moderation is key to me now...had enough up and down yo-yo weight and moods.

Just my opinion and what I have decided to do...

 

[Thick1]

That was me, but I only made it 9 years then I had my heart attack at age 38.

Maldorf, I was l guess lucky as my stupidity could have killed me had I not dropped my dosages. When I went to the doctor he was amazed that I still was alive. And the real pisser is that I grew no bigger then when I was on moderate dosages. All I can say is thank god we both are alive.

 

[maldorf]

Maldorf, I was l guess lucky as my stupidity could have killed me had I not dropped my dosages. When I went to the doctor he was amazed that I still was alive. And the real pisser is that I grew no bigger then when I was on moderate dosages. All I can say is thank god we both are alive.

Yeah, the dosage game sucks. Once youve been using awhile and developed to a certain point, it takes more and more drugs to grow. Youre using 2x the doses you did earlier on and not even growing as much. thats when its time to call it quits.