Gauging HGH strength by side effects

[td1111]

Seems that most of us are stuck gauging the strength of our HGH by the side effects we experience.

In the past, I've tried Jins, and Kefei's, both of which causes substantial hand numbness, etc at 3iu/day. I took a year off, then started up again with a kit of Saizen, then another new kit of Kefei. I haven't had a single bit of numbness or other obvious GH sides even at 5iu/day. I shook up a 1/2 vial and got tons of bubbles that stayed there over 24 hours.

Is there any tolerance developed over time to the GH sides? Or is it safe to assume that my last 2 kits have been weak or fake?

 

[123cctv]

Seems that most of us are stuck gauging the strength of our HGH by the side effects we experience.

In the past, I've tried Jins, and Kefei's, both of which causes substantial hand numbness, etc at 3iu/day. I took a year off, then started up again with a kit of Saizen, then another new kit of Kefei. I haven't had a single bit of numbness or other obvious GH sides even at 5iu/day. I shook up a 1/2 vial and got tons of bubbles that stayed there over 24 hours.

Is there any tolerance developed over time to the GH sides? Or is it safe to assume that my last 2 kits have been weak or fake?

Kefei's are known to create GH antibodies. Again, just one of the many bad raps they have.

Am I suggesting that's what's up with you? I don't know. Maybe - certainly is one of the traits from Kefei, but you could also have some soap in your hand or something else as there's many things that can cause bubbles.

 

[Quad-smack]

but you could also have some soap in your hand or something else as there's many things that can cause bubbles.

WTF? Please tell us how you think soap on his hands would get INSIDE his vial?

Everyone, PLEASE stop shaking your vials of GH. The only thing it does besides fueling your neurosis is fuck up (fancy words for degrade) your GH. If you are getting good results, be happy - if not, find another source.

 

[Trenman]

I used Jins for 18 months, then came off for a year. When I got back on (Jins again) this time the side effects like hand numbness and extremely deep sleep, tiredness, etc were not there, even though I was off for a year. So it appears one gets used to the initial side effects.

 

[FasTwitch]

Why are ppl so thick about how to gauge their GH with all these stupid subjective and non definitive testing.

Just test your IGF-1 levels before and after use, of if using, quit for a week and do a before after.

60 bucks for an IGF test online (USA) at privatemdlabs, directlabs I'm not sure on the price but also a good place. You can choose a local lab (tons in every major city) for the blood draw and then view online....

I ordered online, multiple labs appeared in the list next to my zip, the closest was a labcorp 1mile away. Tests were posted online after a few days.

BTW, for those that still say the suspected product could be IGF-1Lr3 and your IGF-1 levels will show positive results assuming it is GH. Ridiculous.
mg for mg IGF-1 is AT LEAST 10-15 Times more expensive than GH!!
At 2 bucks per IU of GH, that makes it 6 bucks for 1mg (1mg=3iu)
IGF-1 for 60 per mg would be the lowest Ive seen.
Unless it was a mistake no dumb ass source is going to bate/switch using IGF-1...

So pre/post IGF-1 levels are the best judge of your GH, period.
60Bucks, 3 days wait, no excuse not to do it and instead become a neurotic mess...

 

[jm425]

For the last freakin' time, JUST BECAUSE YOU GET MORE SIDES DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOUR GH IS MORE POTENT/HAS HIGHER PURITY!!! That is one of the biggest myths out there. As fast twitch has said, get your damn igf-1 levels checked through blood work.

 

[eroc613]

Get Mad!!!

 

[Pumped1]

For the last freakin' time, JUST BECAUSE YOU GET MORE SIDES DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOUR GH IS MORE POTENT/HAS HIGHER PURITY!!! That is one of the biggest myths out there. As fast twitch has said, get your damn igf-1 levels checked through blood work.

it the only way, i agree

i have been on these green tops, which i thought were nothing special because i was not experiencing any of the damm sides i got with my first run, i was driving myself nuts.....

well it turns out that i am down 1% bf and 1lb in less then 3 weeks!!!
nothing changed as far as diet or work-outs...they must be real!
igf test is the only way

 

[qbert]

i have been on these green tops, which i thought were nothing special because i was not experiencing any of the damm sides i got with my first run, i was driving myself nuts.....

well it turns out that i am down 1% bf and 1lb in less then 3 weeks!!!
nothing changed as far as diet or work-outs...they must be real!
igf test is the only way[/QUOTE]

Cool Pumped1! Keep us updated on those igf test results. I too will have an igf test in about 1 month.

 

[ericraven2003]

I have been off gh for 9 days because the numbness got so bad that I was having trouble writing. After 9 days off, I am still numb. Does anyone have an idea of how long it will take before it will go away? I want to get back on,but not untill its totally gone.

 

[pesty4077]

I have been off gh for 9 days because the numbness got so bad that I was having trouble writing. After 9 days off, I am still numb. Does anyone have an idea of how long it will take before it will go away? I want to get back on,but not untill its totally gone.

Start out at 1/4-1/2 the dose gradually increasing it over a month or two.

 

[ericraven2003]

Start out at 1/4-1/2 the dose gradually increasing it over a month or two.

Thats what I figured but I want to wait untill its totally gone first. Just wondering how long that will be.

 

[td1111]

Why are ppl so thick about how to gauge their GH with all these stupid subjective and non definitive testing.

Just test your IGF-1 levels before and after use, of if using, quit for a week and do a before after.

60 bucks for an IGF test online (USA) at privatemdlabs, directlabs I'm not sure on the price but also a good place. You can choose a local lab (tons in every major city) for the blood draw and then view online....

I ordered online, multiple labs appeared in the list next to my zip, the closest was a labcorp 1mile away. Tests were posted online after a few days.

BTW, for those that still say the suspected product could be IGF-1Lr3 and your IGF-1 levels will show positive results assuming it is GH. Ridiculous.
mg for mg IGF-1 is AT LEAST 10-15 Times more expensive than GH!!
At 2 bucks per IU of GH, that makes it 6 bucks for 1mg (1mg=3iu)
IGF-1 for 60 per mg would be the lowest Ive seen.
Unless it was a mistake no dumb ass source is going to bate/switch using IGF-1...

So pre/post IGF-1 levels are the best judge of your GH, period.
60Bucks, 3 days wait, no excuse not to do it and instead become a neurotic mess...

Thanks for the info, it's news to me. I'm in Canada. Can anyone in walk in the USA labs and get blood drawn for these tests?

I have been off gh for 9 days because the numbness got so bad that I was having trouble writing. After 9 days off, I am still numb. Does anyone have an idea of how long it will take before it will go away? I want to get back on,but not untill its totally gone.

When I had bad sides, they hung around for a solid 2-4 weeks.

 

[ericraven2003]

Thanks for the info, it's news to me. I'm in Canada.



When I had bad sides, they hung around for a solid 2-4 weeks.

Thanks brother. That gives me some hope.

 

[123cctv]

WTF? Please tell us how you think soap on his hands would get INSIDE his vial?

Please tell you how I think soap is in the man's vial? HUH?? Go re-read what I said.

Oh yeah, and don't ever shake your vial - you just might find out you're unable to create a single bubble!

 

[JUSTKIDDING]

Seems that most of us are stuck gauging the strength of our HGH by the side effects we experience.

In the past, I've tried Jins, and Kefei's, both of which causes substantial hand numbness, etc at 3iu/day. I took a year off, then started up again with a kit of Saizen, then another new kit of Kefei. I haven't had a single bit of numbness or other obvious GH sides even at 5iu/day. I shook up a 1/2 vial and got tons of bubbles that stayed there over 24 hours.

Is there any tolerance developed over time to the GH sides? Or is it safe to assume that my last 2 kits have been weak or fake?

Many fakes contain albumine and when you shake or stir it you will get bubbles/foam wich stays for hours!
Albumine causes this effect its sort off a proteine shake
I saw this with many fakes from several brands.
For us in europe is trimatropin the safest buy when it goes about rHGH
Hope this will help you a bit.

 

[FasTwitch]

Many fakes contain albumine and when you shake or stir it you will get bubbles/foam wich stays for hours!
Albumine causes this effect its sort off a proteine shake
I saw this with many fakes from several brands.
For us in europe is trimatropin the safest buy when it goes about rHGH
Hope this will help you a bit.

HGH is a protein just like HSA (Human Serum Albumin).

Proteins are basically peptide bonded chains of various amino acids. 2+ Aminos constitute a peptide, 2+ peptides constitute a polypeptide, 50+ amino acids in length constitute a "Protein".

HGH is a 22Kda, 191 amino acid sequence

HSA is a 67 Kda, 585 amino acid sequence.

Either compound will exhibit characteristics typical of proteins. In a water based solution peptides/proteins reduce the surface tention thereby causing the observed "frothing". This is typically seen in cases of proteinuria, or excessive protein excretion in the urine.
The same phenomenon will create froth if you shake protein/peptide compounds in a vial. I'm not sure you could subjectively judge the degree of frothing between various protein sources, as well as discount the possibility additional proteins that may have been added to the HGH as a stablizer/binders. (Pharmacologically, HSA is used sometimes for this purpose in various peptide mixtures such as IGF).

So, my point is, you will get some frothing with most any "peptide" you recon and shake. This will in now way tell you whether HGH is not present in the mixture.

 

[123cctv]

So, my point is, you will get some frothing with most any "peptide" you recon and shake.

Apparently have not ordered some of the Hyge's floating around? Nor have you been the benificiary of a few gen's which seem incapable of offering even a fart bubble?

I have and of course, I no longer purchase them as they obviously contained no GH.

 

[GoneForever]

I've tried all the generic gh's, serostim, jino's and hyges. Some gave me more sides than others. I got hardly any numbness from legit serostims yet I got extreme hand tingles from some yellow tops. Jinotropin gave me hardly any sides but one batch of blues I got made my hands fall asleep for about an hour one morning. I dont think sides are an indicator but I do wish I knew the mechanism behind the sides and why they occur with some Gh opposed to others.

 

[EasyEJL]

Seems that most of us are stuck gauging the strength of our HGH by the side effects we experience.

a lot of people do this for other compounds too. Its craziest when they are doing it the first time they use a compound "I'm not getting cramps and jitters from this clen, I think its bogus" etc.