getting ready for my winter bulk cycle.....need advice

[hansen215]

ok so im 6'2 about 280@ about 14%bf have run about 10 cycles before. now getting ready for my winter bulk cycle but am concerned about libido. it really is my 1st priority when being "on". id rather be "off" and able to have sex than be "on" and not. so basically what im asking is that my cycle will contain compounds that are known to decrease libido and sex function and i want to make sure that ive done everything i can to keep my libido at the highest.

test enth 750-1000mg/wk 1-15
deca 400mg/wk 1-15
dbol 45mg/day wk9-15
anadrol 50mg/day wk4-7
proviron50mg/day wk1-20
liquid anastrozole 1mg/day wk1-20
cabergoline 1mg/e4d wk1-20
hgh fragment 1mg/day (5days on 2 off)(been on for a month already and will continue for 8 more months)


***might add***
primo 600mg/wk wk1-15
igf 40mcg(split to 2 shots) to bring up lagging parts

***was thinking to switch deca over to npp because last time i used deca the recovery was almost too long. however i have never used npp before.

***pct***
hcg 1000iu/day for 21 days
clomid 150mg/day wk1, 100mg/day wk2, 50mg/day wk3
nolv 40mg/day wk1, 20mg/day wk2


any advice is much appreciated! thanks guys!

 

[PsyT]

bump, I'm not experienced enough to comment on the AAS, but here's one thought about IGF:

i've never really heard anything substantive from anybody about how IGF helped 'bring up lagging bodyparts'. I think its local hyperplasia action is a little bit of a myth. I've shot about 5mg of that over the last few years and as far as I can tell its a great macro-nutrient transporter and also a pretty good fatburner. but no localized growth.

I think changing up your training routine would bring more effect to the lagging bodyparts than injecting IGF into them. If you do go through with the IGF though make sure you make multiple local injections into the muscle. If you're hitting calves, then 3-4 injections per calf would work (dispersing the solution out evenly). This will promote more to stay local and less going systemic. But its mostly going to go systemic either way from my experience. A very small gauge needle goes without saying (like 31g).

 

[domeyeahaight]

I would probably advise against both of those orals so close together...

If anything run at very beginning at at very end..IMO

 

[bigsos]

in my opnion

take one of the to oral commpand

100 mg drol\d

or

60 mg dbol / d

save caber and do it if nessary

take siln with your hgh

no want to add prime


and good luk for you

 

[hansen215]

youre saying to only take 1 oral through out the cycle? and sorry but i dont wanna mess around with slin. heard too many horror stories.

 

[bigsos]

youre saying to only take 1 oral through out the cycle? and sorry but i dont wanna mess around with slin. heard too many horror stories.

put your oral in the start of your cycle to kick in gains for 4-6 week

you can take it 4 week on \off

the long run of oral affect liver


silln if you do wright you don't miss up .

 

[LiquidFunk]

This is all a matter of opinion but here goes...I would go 12 weeks then switch up the esthers and do another 12 weeks.

Wks 1-12:
test enth 750
prop 300
deca 400mg
dbol 35mg/day wk 1-6 then bump it up a lil to about 50mg/day or so. feel it out. i love d-bol. gives you real gains. causes hyperplasia. use your own discretion/experience for D-Bol dosage. you are a big guy so 60mg's might do it for you.
Drol- not a huge fan, causes depression, poor body image some say it doesnt give provide lasting results etc.. but you can run it like week 2-4 or so then start the d-bol if you choose.
proviron: good stuff. i feel that it keeps your receptors clean. improves gains. 25mg per day a few weeks in. dont over do it. you need a little estrogen to grow. you might want to save this for 2nd half of cycle.

GH: the more the better.

IGF: good but i think it is a little hype. money is better spent on GH in my opinion. your body gets used to IGF easily.

____________________________________________________

HCG: if you feel that your natural T levels are crashed, try bridging withh HCG.

Week 12-24: this will still bulk you but you wont retain as much water so you can solidify your gains and monitor progress.

Sustanon or Omnadren 1000mg/wk
EQ or Durabolin but durabolin is hard to come by: 400-600mg/wk
Masteron 400-600mg/wk
40-60mg/day anavar or winni tabs
Tren: 100-150mg EOD


***pct***
hcg 2500 every third day for 3 weeks
clomid 150mg/day wk1, 100mg/day wk2, 50mg/day wk3 (150 mgs might be a little overkill)
nolv 40mg/day wk1, 20mg/day wk2

this is a rough guideline. make alterations as needed.

 

[LiquidFunk]

oh ya,

stay away fromm slin unless you really know what you are doing and you have a real desire to compete etc... dangerous stuff.

 

[MightyJohn]

Week 12-24: this will still bulk you but you wont retain as much water so you can solidify your gains and monitor progress.

Sustanon or Omnadren 1000mg/wk
EQ or Durabolin but durabolin is hard to come by: 400-600mg/wk
Masteron 400-600mg/wk
40-60mg/day anavar or winni tabs
Tren: 100-150mg EOD

That is a pretty heavy cycle unless You are HIGHLY competitive or looking to go pro

 

[hansen215]

ok a few bits of info i shouldve added when i was looking for cycle critique.

*i wont take eq(lowes sex drive too much)
*i wont take test prop or sust as it has prop in it(i get infections EVERY TIME from anything that has prop)
*i already have 5 mg's of igf thats why i was gonna add it in
*i dont wanna run a cycle longer than 15 weeks

i think i will prob stay away from the anadrol as i have never used it before and dont want the extra water and depression that comes with it. all i want is the mass and strength so i will prob stick with the dbols at the last 6-7 weeks of the cycle

anyone got any info on the recovery of npp versus deca?

 

[LiquidFunk]

i hear ya man...
from my experience, deca is way harder on my sex drive. that is another deciding factor for choosing eq. you way want to give it one more good shot and keep it at or below 400mgs a week.

as for the prop, i have had issues with lots of different substances. you most likely got some bad lab stuff. what brands have you tried? always keep a log of what you use and the results of each compound. that way you can look back and make educated decisions when begining a new cycle. if it was lab stuff, switch to human grade amps. if it was the human grade stuff, switch to labs or vice versa. you ge the point. for example, i have had really bad fevers from one or two batches of brit drag stuff but sometimes im cool. its not the chemical compound, it can be the brand/source/batch.

IGF- if you have it, use it!!!! i will just tell most people that it worked great for me the first 2 times but i think i got immune to it. i think you can never go wrong with GH

as for the cycle length, i am just going off of experience and my personal body chemistry. in my experience, i have the best results on longer cycles as long as i switch my esthers frequently. i am getting ready to do an 8x8x8 cycle. meaning i switch my esthers every 8 weeks for a total of 24 weeks. also, this works best with my chemistry: 1000+mgs of test, this is where i pack on the meat. lower levels of anabolic substances <400 or 500mgs of deca or eq per week. this prevents bloating/deca dick. good amount of orals. i love d-bol, t-bol sometimes anadrol for bulking. 40+mgs/week. i also find that tren is great for bulkiing and cutting. hopefully this helps a little. this is just a matter of opinion from years of cycling.

 

[gridlock]

ok a few bits of info i shouldve added when i was looking for cycle critique.

*i wont take eq(lowes sex drive too much) If your test level is high enough you would be fine. Plus Tren and Deca lower sex drive more than EQ on the whole
*i wont take test prop or sust as it has prop in it(i get infections EVERY TIME from anything that has prop) You can only get an infection if there is bacteria present. You'll be getting "Test Flu" which gives the aching, swelling and overall flu like symptoms that may make you think you've got an infection
*i already have 5 mg's of igf thats why i was gonna add it in
*i dont wanna run a cycle longer than 15 weeks

i think i will prob stay away from the anadrol as i have never used it before and dont want the extra water and depression that comes with it. all i want is the mass and strength so i will prob stick with the dbols at the last 6-7 weeks of the cycle Its gonna make more sense you using the Dbol at the start rather than the end if you haven't got a fast acting test to frontload.

anyone got any info on the recovery of npp versus deca?

I'd also not bother with the primo, I'd perhaps consider bridging with that after the cycle as you're gonna be holding water with this cycle so cant really see what you're getting from it. I would even leave the igf til after the cycle and use it with the primo.

thats just my opinion but best of luck with it

 

[hansen215]

reason i wanted to keep the dbols at the end of the cycle was that my strength will be at the highest at the end after gaining al the muscle. so i figure if i add the dbols at the beginning then it would keep alot of strength at the beginning of the cycle instead of having it at the highest at the end. im looking for a slow steady gaing from the test n deca in the beginning and then when my joints are all nice and lubricated then i add in the dbols and lift a little heavier to get the most strength out of the cycle. is this worg? if so please correct me.

 

[PsyT]

if you leave the dbol til the end you'll have the potent estrogen analogue that they aromatize into to deal with during PCT. doesn't sound fun. Just a thought.

 

[hansen215]

ill be taking proviron AND anastrozole during the cycle so i dont think estrogen should be too much of a problem.

 

[thelix]

This is all a matter of opinion but here goes...I would go 12 weeks then switch up the esthers and do another 12 weeks.

Wks 1-12:
test enth 750
prop 300
deca 400mg
dbol 35mg/day wk 1-6 then bump it up a lil to about 50mg/day or so. feel it out. i love d-bol. gives you real gains. causes hyperplasia. use your own discretion/experience for D-Bol dosage. you are a big guy so 60mg's might do it for you.
Drol- not a huge fan, causes depression, poor body image some say it doesnt give provide lasting results etc.. but you can run it like week 2-4 or so then start the d-bol if you choose.
proviron: good stuff. i feel that it keeps your receptors clean. improves gains. 25mg per day a few weeks in. dont over do it. you need a little estrogen to grow. you might want to save this for 2nd half of cycle.

GH: the more the better.

IGF: good but i think it is a little hype. money is better spent on GH in my opinion. your body gets used to IGF easily.

____________________________________________________

HCG: if you feel that your natural T levels are crashed, try bridging withh HCG.

Week 12-24: this will still bulk you but you wont retain as much water so you can solidify your gains and monitor progress.

Sustanon or Omnadren 1000mg/wk
EQ or Durabolin but durabolin is hard to come by: 400-600mg/wk
Masteron 400-600mg/wk
40-60mg/day anavar or winni tabs
Tren: 100-150mg EOD


***pct***
hcg 2500 every third day for 3 weeks
clomid 150mg/day wk1, 100mg/day wk2, 50mg/day wk3 (150 mgs might be a little overkill)
nolv 40mg/day wk1, 20mg/day wk2

this is a rough guideline. make alterations as needed.

I wanna understand this claim about dBol and hyperplasia.

I though all orals that are alpha-alkalized would provide the same effect. The liver produces IGF as a result of the detoxing process of the 17a compound.

After passing through liver and with the 17a component removed, dBol induces a positive nitrogen balance in the muscle cells, which provides a more effective environment for protein synthesis.

So in my understanding dBol does not cause hyperplasia...

 

[Nssca]

ok so im 6'2 about 280@ about 14%bf have run about 10 cycles before. now getting ready for my winter bulk cycle but am concerned about libido. it really is my 1st priority when being "on". id rather be "off" and able to have sex than be "on" and not. so basically what im asking is that my cycle will contain compounds that are known to decrease libido and sex function and i want to make sure that ive done everything i can to keep my libido at the highest.

test enth 750-1000mg/wk 1-15
deca 400mg/wk 1-15
dbol 45mg/day wk9-15
anadrol 50mg/day wk4-7
proviron50mg/day wk1-20
liquid anastrozole 1mg/day wk1-20
cabergoline 1mg/e4d wk1-20
hgh fragment 1mg/day (5days on 2 off)(been on for a month already and will continue for 8 more months)


***might add***
primo 600mg/wk wk1-15
igf 40mcg(split to 2 shots) to bring up lagging parts

***was thinking to switch deca over to npp because last time i used deca the recovery was almost too long. however i have never used npp before.

***pct***
hcg 1000iu/day for 21 days
clomid 150mg/day wk1, 100mg/day wk2, 50mg/day wk3
nolv 40mg/day wk1, 20mg/day wk2


any advice is much appreciated! thanks guys!

You failed to mention how old you are.
And you should lose some fat before you bulk.
Try to get your BF down to the single digits...then bulk.

 

[hansen215]

25 yrs old and gonna make it down to about 8 or 9% bf before i start. plus im more of a mma/ wrestling athlete not a body builder. want to have all the muscle on me so when i do cut down to 265-270 i will be as strong and powerful as possible for competition