help with cycle

[lp50]

hey can some of you guys critque my cycle that I plan on doing.

I should probably give you my stats first. I'm 19 and the only thing i've used is deca for 600 mg/week for 8 weeks about 5 or 6 months ago and didn't take anything to get my natural test back up afterwords, i was feeling it. But I'm 205 ilbs (was 220 but cut down for the summer), 5'7, 17.5" arms, 47 or 48" chest i think, 27" legs, 33" waist, but I haven't done my measurements for a while.

Anyway, here's what I want to do:
wk 1: 200 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 2: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wks 3-4: 400 EQ, 500 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 5: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wks 6-8: 400 EQ, 750 Stest
wk 9: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wk 10: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 11: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 12: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 13: 67 tren EOD

wks 1-13: 10 mg/novladex/ day
wk 13: 100 mg clomid/ day
wk 14: 50 mg clomid/ day

 

[TRAPS21]

For a second cycle it seems a bit much. Try another test and deca for 10 weeks. Use nolva throughout. Remember, you are still 19. Don't over do it at such a young age. IMO

T

 

[FRKNHUGE]

id say run the test at 500mg and the EQ at 400mg for 10 weeks bro
and the tren at 35mg ED for the last 6 weeks, reasoning from my experiences i get mood swings at over 50mg like a previous post here stated
frk

 

[coachj0233]

hey can some of you guys critque my cycle that I plan on doing.

I should probably give you my stats first. I'm 19 and the only thing i've used is deca for 600 mg/week for 8 weeks about 5 or 6 months ago and didn't take anything to get my natural test back up afterwords, i was feeling it. But I'm 205 ilbs (was 220 but cut down for the summer), 5'7, 17.5" arms, 47 or 48" chest i think, 27" legs, 33" waist, but I haven't done my measurements for a while.

Anyway, here's what I want to do:
wk 1: 200 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 2: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wks 3-4: 400 EQ, 500 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 5: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wks 6-8: 400 EQ, 750 Stest
wk 9: 400 EQ, 500 Stest
wk 10: 400 EQ, 250 Stest, 67 tren EOD
wk 11: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 12: 200 EQ, 67 tren EOD
wk 13: 67 tren EOD

wks 1-13: 10 mg/novladex/ day
wk 13: 100 mg clomid/ day
wk 14: 50 mg clomid/ day

im not understanding why you are fluctuating with dosages do much. keep the dosages consistant. i agree that you should do 500mg sust and 400mg eq for weeks 1-10. i would do the tren at 75mg eod weeks 8-13 to harden you up towards the end. no need to start the compound and then basically come off right away.
the nolva throughout is a good idea and if you do clomid for post cycle then you need to do it for three weeks not two. reason i said that about the clomid for PCT was bc i like to do nolva for PCT) also will you be running arimidex during this cycle?
-coachj

 

[xcelbeyond]

Pyramiding is ol' school - which is what I was taught back in the 80's.

We've learned a lot about what tapering doesn't really do. The idea was to ease your system (HPTA) to AAS the gradually reduce it to get your HPTA back in gear. The thing is - AAS shuts you down, there's no two ways about it. Doing good PCT practices will help restore HPTA sooner than ramping down AAS (which will do nothing).

 

[Conan21]

hey bro

I got your PM so i'll try and answer for you. although theres alot more educated people here than me here so i'm not the best person to ask.

first off i don't even know what 250 Stest is. Sustanon?

I started at you age. did very with a very small amount. gained about 15 solid lbs off 20 mgs of dbol for 5 weeks. Some shitty things happened in my life and started using too much for awhile. It was kind of like an escape for me and I didn't care about what happened to me in the slightest bit.(I wan't using that much compared to what these other young post but IMO, i had not place taking what I did) To be honest, I really wish i didn't get caught up with all that shit at an early age.

but if i were you, I'd use a small amount. Dbol/test. I'm convinced that people don't need large amounts. Take care of your training and give your body the nutrient it needs and you should be able to get big naturally, adding some AAS will make it even better.

id go 400-500 mgs of test a week for about 12 weeks. dbol for the first 4 at 20 mgs.

Hit the Nolva about 15-20 days after your last shot. I like it better than Clomid

 

[lp50]

coach-i'm not planning on using arimidex, unless it's really necessary which i don't know, someone would have to tell me. so i was just going to go with the nolva and clomid

conan-yeah stest is just supertest, or sustanon, but in a vial instead of an amp. I've been lifting for about 6 years, usually make pretty good gains and stuff, and I think I have quality muscle and I'd like to put on about 20 solid ilbs. I'm just nervous about using dbol because I've been under the impression that it messes with the liver more than injectables. What were the bad effects that you had from starting early?

As far as my diet goes it's real clean: offseason 550-600 carbs, 400-450 protein, around 100 fat (good fat of course), cutting 100-200 carbs, 400-450 protein, 180

 

[massmonster32]

id say run the test at 500mg and the EQ at 400mg for 10 weeks bro
and the tren at 35mg ED for the last 6 weeks, reasoning from my experiences i get mood swings at over 50mg like a previous post here stated
frk

This is the way I recommend also. You have good size already by your stats so with some good nutrition or at least a see food diet you should make good gains to reach the level you wannt good luck. Keep us posted how it goes its been many years since my first cycle. MM

 

[IronMike]

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Well your stats sound solid for your age, congrats on achieving a lot without much AAS help so far.

I'd suggest running the Eq at 400-500mg for ten weeks, the test at 500-700mg for 10 weeks, the tren is ok.

Keep it simple. And although it is only your second, you've got some beef on you and might as well make it count, so I'd go eq500/test700. IronMike