Help With "Responsible" Long Term Testosterone/HGH Therapy...

[LS430]

***I hope someone on this board can direct me to some good unbiased information. I will return the favor or make a donation or something as I appreciate anyones time here as I know we are all very busy.***

I am interested in finding the TRUTH about long term responsible use of testosterone and HGH for anti-aging purposes (or what others now call "age management medicine).

I am having a very difficult time finding the truth.

I am now 37 and while not a bodybuilder I am very active. Currently 6'4" 230lbs at around 15% bodyfat. I lift weights 3 days a week but really don't want to get bigger or heavier as my main form of recreation and cardio is riding dirt bikes on 8 to 12 mile courses through the woods for 3 hours non-stop at heart rates from 160 to 190bpm depending on the day and pace I am going.

I am mainly concerned with health and longevity.

2 years ago I started HGH therapy under a physicians supervision at 2iu's a day. I was so paranoid about becoming diabetic I checked my blood sugar almost daily and almost eliminated all simple carbs (ie pasta/bread) from my diet. 2 years later and it's never changed yet still I run into MD's now and then that warn me about becoming insulin insensitive.

I have noticed moderate benefits from the HGH. My skin looks great and my overall physique is moderately improved. I get blood work every 6 months and it all looks great. My IGF-1 stays around 350 to 400 on this dose.

I also do HYPERBARIC OXYGEN... yes, I actually own a chamber which I get in every morning for about an hour. I love it and no it's not one of those steel ones - LOL. It's actually portable... I think this is the site that shows my unit:

http://www.VitaO2.com

I have the Respiro 27inch unit.

I'm not perfect but I do the best I can with my diet and eat vegetables and lean protein everyday... lots of green stuff. about 5 to 6 days a week I start my morning with a drink I that consists of the following:

2 CUPS FRESH CELERY JUICE
2 TBLSPNS CYRO FOOD (Standard Process)
1 SCOOP GREENS FIRST (doctors nutrition)
2 CUPS SPINACH (organic)
1 CUCUMBER (organic)
HANDFUL PARSLEY (organic)
HADFUL CILANTRO (organic)
1 WHOLE AVOCADO (organic)
1 LIME (JUICE ONLY)
2 TBLSPNS OLIVE OIL
DASH OF SALT (REAL)
1/2 CUP CRUSH ICE


I whip all this up in the VITAMIX and it looks like a green shake... My wife won't even come in the kitchen after I make it but, it's the ONE THING I'VE COME Across that literally makes me feel like a million bucks day after day.

(SORRY FOR RAMLBING.. just wanted to share that recipe as just about everyone who tries it falls in love with it)

My main interest is FIRST.

TESTOSTERONE and HGH

and the long term responsible use of it. I found this video on google and was amazed:

**broken link removed**


I recently changed anti aging doctors and started using some testosterone and other things and while I feel pretty good I don't think this MD knows as much as many of the veterans on this board.

My main question is:

Can testosterone and HGH be used long term responsibly do increase quality of life?

and are there any good studies in the past or underway to backc this up? OR even personal experience?

Again, I am not a BB but just someone who is active and health oriented looking to leverage technology and rx science for my benefit and the benefit of others.

Since this new MD put me on testosterone I feel much better... it's only been about 6 weeks but my moods are much better, my drive for work is better and sexual attraction to my wife to be honest has really doubled.

On the other hand I want to make sure I do this proper as this is ones life. I look at some of the doses and things young people on here are doing and it scares me a little (I used to be 23 too you know).

Any help would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Jeff


PS - I have concerns about the current program the MD put me on and how to come off it etc but I will post that in a follow up email. Again, anyone here, your time is greatly appreciated and if there is anything I can do to return the favor please let me know.

 

[LS430]

Current Testosterone Therapy Program...

Without getting into the details of my bloodwork this is the basic program the MD put me on (again, I think it could be done quite different - for the better - after reading the knowledge from veteran of this board).

TEST CYPIONATE 200mgs - TWICE A WEEK
HCG 500iu's - 3 TIMES A WEEK
TESTOSTERONE 100mg/ML Lipo Cream - ONCE A DAY

ARIMIDEX - .25mg EVERY OTHER DAY
ARMOUR THYROID HALF GRAIN - ONCE A DAY
DHEA 25mg DAILY

PREGNENOLONE 100mg - NIGHTLY
MELATONIN .5mg - NIGHTLY


And of course my usual 2 iu's of SAIZEN daily.

 

[palehorse51]

My humble opinion...

Thats awesome that you have a cool doctor. I would say up the gh to double that. I would swithch to test enanthate at about 250 mg/wk. If you dont want to get bigger you dont need 200mg twice a week. over the long haul that much test will aromatize! cyp bloats too much.I would also get rid of the cream. I know chromium and selinium are good for insulin sensitivity. Good luck bro!!

 

[Big A]

Without getting into the details of my bloodwork this is the basic program the MD put me on (again, I think it could be done quite different - for the better - after reading the knowledge from veteran of this board).

TEST CYPIONATE 200mgs - TWICE A WEEK
HCG 500iu's - 3 TIMES A WEEK
TESTOSTERONE 100mg/ML Lipo Cream - ONCE A DAY

ARIMIDEX - .25mg EVERY OTHER DAY
ARMOUR THYROID HALF GRAIN - ONCE A DAY
DHEA 25mg DAILY

PREGNENOLONE 100mg - NIGHTLY
MELATONIN .5mg - NIGHTLY


And of course my usual 2 iu's of SAIZEN daily.

In my opinion, that's a very good program.
CYp twice weekly willkeep a steady blood level of test, as will the daily cream, so you won't exprience any hormonal fluctuations.
The HCG will make sure your testes stay at a normal size.
The arimidex will counteract any estrogen related issues.
The thyroid, I assume it's needed according to your blood tests.
DHEA is a waste.
GH is fine, but so it would be at 3IU or 4IU per day.

 

[Dad]

Some of evaluating responsible use depends upon your goals.

If your goal is to restore and maintain what's referred to as physiologic doses, meaning you're simply trying to get your serum testosterone lvels into the normal ranges, then you need to get periodic blood tests (every 2-3 months when starting). These will tell you where you are compared to reference ranges. My experience is that 400 mg/wk of test is going to get you well above the normal reference ranges, and keep you there.

By staying above the normal reference ranges, then yes, you'll need things like HCG and anti-estrogens. If you stay in the normal ranges, these won't be necessary.

If your goal is to be above normal ranges, then you are taking pharmacological doses, and you can be in whatever range you want, but will have to contend with potential side effects.

Big A is right - the DHEA is a waste of money either way.
There is no meaningful difference between test cyp and enanthate - both are esters with relatively long half-lives, and prone to aromatization, and thus water retention from the estrogens produced by this process.

So again, it depends upon what you're trying to do. If it HRT, then these doses are too high unless needed based upon your blood tests. If it's athletics then you can do whatever you want to, and these doses are still probably adequate for that.

 

[Grunt76]

About the hyperbaric oxygen thingie:

Make sure that you use LOTS AND LOTS of antioxidants when you do this!!!

Otherwise the extra oxygen WILL burn you up quick and good, aging you at a greatly accelerated pace.

You need: ALA and grape seed extract.

 

[LS430]

About the hyperbaric oxygen thingie:

Make sure that you use LOTS AND LOTS of antioxidants when you do this!!!

Otherwise the extra oxygen WILL burn you up quick and good, aging you at a greatly accelerated pace.


Is there anywhere I can go to learn more about the above? You are the first person I have heard it from but it makes sense...

My other question regarding test/hgh therapy was about cycling. How long on how long off and what protocol?

J~

PS - Thanks a mill for the input...

 

[Grunt76]

About the hyperbaric oxygen thingie:

Make sure that you use LOTS AND LOTS of antioxidants when you do this!!!

Otherwise the extra oxygen WILL burn you up quick and good, aging you at a greatly accelerated pace.


Is there anywhere I can go to learn more about the above? You are the first person I have heard it from but it makes sense...

My other question regarding test/hgh therapy was about cycling. How long on how long off and what protocol?

J~

PS - Thanks a mill for the input...

I'd go 2-4 IU ED with the GH forever if you can afford it.

Gear well, I'd go with at LEAST 250mg test a week, run some bouts at 500/750 and add some other gear on top, call it a cycle, then go back to your 250 a week. Have some arimidex and nolva on hand, they are a must even if you don't plan on any PCT.