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How many days does it take to restore muscle glycogen ? (Diet re-feeds/ peak weak carb loads)

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Is it possible to refill fill depleted muscle glycogen in 24 hours with refeed? Or does it take multiple days and that’s why a peak weak carb load usually lasts multiple days? Or is the slower/ multi day carb load used on peak weak a water retention mitigation method more than anything ?

For example: say 300g carbs is going to be maintaining level- in the 24 hour scenario, I’m wondering if it’s possible to sort of make this go faster by doing a refeed with 1200g carbs over that 24 hour refeed day for example. Instead of doing 3 days in a row consuming 600g carbs. Which still adds up to the same 900g of extra carbohydrate surplus.

1200-300=900g carb surplus.

How much better is it to space this 900g surplus over 3 days compared to just getting in all 900 extra in a 24 hour window.
 
Is it possible to refill fill depleted muscle glycogen in 24 hours with refeed? Or does it take multiple days and that’s why a peak weak carb load usually lasts multiple days? Or is the slower/ multi day carb load used on peak weak a water retention mitigation method more than anything ?

For example: say 300g carbs is going to be maintaining level- in the 24 hour scenario, I’m wondering if it’s possible to sort of make this go faster by doing a refeed with 1200g carbs over that 24 hour refeed day for example. Instead of doing 3 days in a row consuming 600g carbs. Which still adds up to the same 900g of extra carbohydrate surplus.

1200-300=900g carb surplus.

How much better is it to space this 900g surplus over 3 days compared to just getting in all 900 extra in a 24 hour window.
Digestion, water and gauging fullness with the look is why it’s “safer” to space it out going into a show. The last thing you want to do is get on stage with a blown out midsection which can easily happen if you load 1200g carbs in a day.

It’s always better to slowly control the variables. As well doing movement and pump exercises will help facilitate and get the glycogen into the muscle. Doing this all in 24 hours is doable, but again the end look may not be as refined.

Remember at that level you also are running on NO fats and eventually will pull fiber so gastric emptying must be accounted for as well.
 
Digestion, water and gauging fullness with the look is why it’s “safer” to space it out going into a show. The last thing you want to do is get on stage with a blown out midsection which can easily happen if you load 1200g carbs in a day.

It’s always better to slowly control the variables. As well doing movement and pump exercises will help facilitate and get the glycogen into the muscle. Doing this all in 24 hours is doable, but again the end look may not be as refined.

Remember at that level you also are running on NO fats and eventually will pull fiber so gastric emptying must be accounted for as well.
Very interesting point you mention about pump exercises facilitating glycogen into muscle. I’ve for sure for sure noticed this myself, and I’ve asked others about this before and often they have no clue what I’m talking about. Like I’m able to get more weight back if I carb load/refeed on training days compared to off days. So I’ve asked dudes if they start losing some weight with a day or two off from training but I think many aren’t precise about weighing themselves enough to notice.

The end look for me is irrelevant for me right now because I’m just dieting to get lean and ready for another mass phase.

What ive been doing has been working really well. I’ve gone from a fluff ball 240 to 200 lean in 11 weeks now just starting to show glute striations this week. And I’ve been doing 1 refeed day every week. But was wondering if maybe I was better off having a 48 hour window instead to refeed and spacing those carbs over a larger window. In the event that my body wasn’t capable of assimilating all 1200 in that 24 hour window and was spilling over to fat before muscle glycogen could be refilled.

By the last meal my mid section is bigger for sure. But it’s gone by the following morning. Fat is as low as I can get it while sustaining 260g protein without moving to just whey/ casein. It’s 30-40g per day.
 
Very interesting point you mention about pump exercises facilitating glycogen into muscle. I’ve for sure for sure noticed this myself, and I’ve asked others about this before and often they have no clue what I’m talking about. Like I’m able to get more weight back if I carb load/refeed on training days compared to off days. So I’ve asked dudes if they start losing some weight with a day or two off from training but I think many aren’t precise about weighing themselves enough to notice.

The end look for me is irrelevant for me right now because I’m just dieting to get lean and ready for another mass phase.

What ive been doing has been working really well. I’ve gone from a fluff ball 240 to 200 lean in 11 weeks now just starting to show glute striations this week. And I’ve been doing 1 refeed day every week. But was wondering if maybe I was better off having a 48 hour window instead to refeed and spacing those carbs over a larger window. In the event that my body wasn’t capable of assimilating all 1200 in that 24 hour window and was spilling over to fat before muscle glycogen could be refilled.

By the last meal my mid section is bigger for sure. But it’s gone by the following morning. Fat is as low as I can get it while sustaining 260g protein without moving to just whey/ casein. It’s 30-40g per day.
Exercise plays a role with activating GLUT4 receptors which in layman’s terms helps put glycogen into the muscle. So not training on a high carb day would not be as beneficial or suggested IMO.

In your particular case I would do neither if you’re trying to cut harder. I’d only use re-feed days to stabilize weight drops or when metabolism slows. My re-feed days are never planned at that level.

Whether or not you need a second day should be dependent on the scale the next morning- did the weight stabilize or drop again. If it’s dropped still then you re-feed that day as well.
 
Very interesting point you mention about pump exercises facilitating glycogen into muscle. I’ve for sure for sure noticed this myself, and I’ve asked others about this before and often they have no clue what I’m talking about. Like I’m able to get more weight back if I carb load/refeed on training days compared to off days. So I’ve asked dudes if they start losing some weight with a day or two off from training but I think many aren’t precise about weighing themselves enough to notice.

The end look for me is irrelevant for me right now because I’m just dieting to get lean and ready for another mass phase.

What ive been doing has been working really well. I’ve gone from a fluff ball 240 to 200 lean in 11 weeks now just starting to show glute striations this week. And I’ve been doing 1 refeed day every week. But was wondering if maybe I was better off having a 48 hour window instead to refeed and spacing those carbs over a larger window. In the event that my body wasn’t capable of assimilating all 1200 in that 24 hour window and was spilling over to fat before muscle glycogen could be refilled.

By the last meal my mid section is bigger for sure. But it’s gone by the following morning. Fat is as low as I can get it while sustaining 260g protein without moving to just whey/ casein. It’s 30-40g per day.
I’ll add to my last post- on thing guys miss on re-feed days is steps and movement.

Keep protein at that 30-40g per meal range and only use 99% turkey or white fish, keep water intake up which is easy to overlook with that many carbs. But most importantly hit your 10k steps and this will maintain gastric emptying.
 
I’ll add to my last post- on thing guys miss on re-feed days is steps and movement.

Keep protein at that 30-40g per meal range and only use 99% turkey or white fish, keep water intake up which is easy to overlook with that many carbs. But most importantly hit your 10k steps and this will maintain gastric emptying.
The steps I do get easily. Plus I’m usually doing things like mowing the lawn on this day also in addition to going for walks. Good point
 
You seem to enjoy paying attention to minor details. How do you let yourself become a fluff ball?

Not hating as I use to enjoy trying to be precise with everything.

Now I look at the big picture
 
You seem to enjoy paying attention to minor details. How do you let yourself become a fluff ball?

Not hating as I use to enjoy trying to be precise with everything.

Now I look at the big picture
Gotta get some water and fluff to get big faster. I still had a 6 pack. But by bodybuilder standards 15-16% is fluffy
 
No, it's not! Just saying.
Your probably like 60 with that old school mentality. All g. Remember he's under 200 also. Counts his steps, breaths of air. Rpr. Maximum everything . Think keep bodyfat in check a little better.

But just saying
 
Looks like a shit ton of water if anything
I’m assuming you mean the pic of me bulked( slide 4) looks like a lot of water right ? I felt the same because you can see abs and when I’m actually in the gym, I looked way different because I still had striations in my delts and chest. But I’m not kidding myself, I was fat too.
So going forward you plan on gaining roughly the same amount of fluff every bulk?
Sorry for the long answer. But long story short it depends. I have a few things I use to guide me on when to continue on and when to pull back.

Shorter answer: I will get fluffy again like this if it seems to suit me and I keep gaining size and strength in a way that seems to be worth it and maintain the fast rate of progress I’ve had
But I’ve also noticed I grow much much much faster after a cut when I’m lean. Which is the whole reason I cut- to get big.


i have a systemic way that I go about it, so if the feedback I get from my data shows and seems to indicate that I’m still growing efficiently, then I will push a bulk to some degree.
However with this recent mass phase I just finished ( this was the 3rd I just finished in 2 years 7 months of starting) I noticed that keeping it shorter worked best because there becomes a point where I need to increase calories through carbohydrates every 3-4 weeks. The closer to the end I get, starting around 3 months in, I find I need to make more frequent calorie increases so that my weight gain doesn’t stall.
It’s the weirdest thing because month 1-3 of massing, I’ll be gaining 2.2lb per week on the scale week after week on 4700 calories. Then there comes a point very suddenly when actually no weight gain will happen.
When I compare my second mass phase to my third and most recent one, the approach I took and yield I got from my third worked much better.
In my second mass phase when I was newer (170-202lb January 2023-August 1st 2023) I held on to
This same level of calories and over the course of like 4 more months gained essentially 1-5lb maximum. this second mass phase seemed by every metric to be less productive than the most recent mass phase which my my third.
During the third, whenever rate of weight gain stalled( defined by 10 days going by without a record high weigh in of 1.5lb or greater ), I’d add another 150g carbs per day for an additional 600 calories. I had to make about 5 of these adjustments total and by the final 3 weeks- it required that I had to use rapid insulin with each meal 1iu per 20g carbs to maintain a normal blood sugar and avtually assimilate the carbs to continue gaining weight. Water rentention came along with this of course.
*I allowed myself before hand a 3 week window, just long enough to see if this sketchy protocol was effective (using replacement doses of insulin with every single meal with my already high dose of Lantus ) I hit up to 111-130iu combined of rapid/basal insulin every day. *
 
I admire you
I’m assuming you mean the pic of me bulked( slide 4) looks like a lot of water right ? I felt the same because you can see abs and when I’m actually in the gym, I looked way different because I still had striations in my delts and chest. But I’m not kidding myself, I was fat too.

Sorry for the long answer. But long story short it depends. I have a few things I use to guide me on when to continue on and when to pull back.

Shorter answer: I will get fluffy again like this if it seems to suit me and I keep gaining size and strength in a way that seems to be worth it and maintain the fast rate of progress I’ve had
But I’ve also noticed I grow much much much faster after a cut when I’m lean. Which is the whole reason I cut- to get big.


i have a systemic way that I go about it, so if the feedback I get from my data shows and seems to indicate that I’m still growing efficiently, then I will push a bulk to some degree.
However with this recent mass phase I just finished ( this was the 3rd I just finished in 2 years 7 months of starting) I noticed that keeping it shorter worked best because there becomes a point where I need to increase calories through carbohydrates every 3-4 weeks. The closer to the end I get, starting around 3 months in, I find I need to make more frequent calorie increases so that my weight gain doesn’t stall.
It’s the weirdest thing because month 1-3 of massing, I’ll be gaining 2.2lb per week on the scale week after week on 4700 calories. Then there comes a point very suddenly when actually no weight gain will happen.
When I compare my second mass phase to my third and most recent one, the approach I took and yield I got from my third worked much better.
In my second mass phase when I was newer (170-202lb January 2023-August 1st 2023) I held on to
This same level of calories and over the course of like 4 more months gained essentially 1-5lb maximum. this second mass phase seemed by every metric to be less productive than the most recent mass phase which my my third.
During the third, whenever rate of weight gain stalled( defined by 10 days going by without a record high weigh in of 1.5lb or greater ), I’d add another 150g carbs per day for an additional 600 calories. I had to make about 5 of these adjustments total and by the final 3 weeks- it required that I had to use rapid insulin with each meal 1iu per 20g carbs to maintain a normal blood sugar and avtually assimilate the carbs to continue gaining weight. Water rentention came along with this of course.
*I allowed myself before hand a 3 week window, just long enough to see if this sketchy protocol was effective (using replacement doses of insulin with every single meal with my already high dose of Lantus ) I hit up to 111-130iu combined of rapid/basal insulin every day. *
I admire you for having the patience to give such a precise answer!
 
You can see the pics on my Instagram and what it did for me. @Parabolic_33

Absolutely made progress. My only critique is to go easy on pushing food and insulin so hard in these phases as you’ve blown your lines and midsection a bit to get there.

If you have aspirations of competing I would be very mindful of this as it shows on stage and judges are rewarding fullness, but primary conditioning currently.

But if you don’t care and are just trying to be as big as possible then push on. 😎
 

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