I got a mailbox question

[thegymhitsyou]

www.realsex.com

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[Philips]

mailman has to have you sign for it if it is registered. If you r not home to sign then he will leave slip for you to pick up at post office.

 

[K1]

mailman has to have you sign for it if it is registered. If you r not home to sign then he will leave slip for you to pick up at post office.

Yup, then you can just run to the Post Office and sign for it, no problems.......

 

[Tyrone]

Yup, then you can just run to the Post Office and sign for it, no problems.......

Bump, use real name or you're screwed...

 

[bigbadasian]

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|---[\\\\]>---------- two questions:

1) why are you sending products to your own house
2) why would you sign for anything

im asking you these questions assuming you are refering to receiving 'goodie

 

[jtat326]

|---[\\\\]>---------- two questions:

1) why are you sending products to your own house
2) why would you sign for anything

im asking you these questions assuming you are refering to receiving 'goodie

If I'm ordering from overseas I always get registered. It makes the difference between 10day delivery and sometimes over a month. I only order for myself and let's be realistic. Customs is just going to destroy a "small" personal order and not go through the trouble of a controlled delivery. I do use a PMB though since my reg addy was compromised.

 

[Malic777.com]

Bump, use real name or you're screwed...

Exactly...Allways use your real name...it in no way proves you made the order or knew about the content of the parcel...even if you sign in your own name you just did what the postman asked you to do: confirm you got a parcel ...

flase name or not, signature or not, the fact that you got a parcel is nothing you can hide in any case...

accepting a parcel sent to a fake name is kinda suspicious...

accepting a parcel in your own name is completely normal...nobody can accuse you of anything because youre NOT responsable for something somebody decides to send you...if this was not so one could send anybody to jail just by mailing them contraband and reporting it...

it all boils down to how you made the deposit (paper trail or not) and how clean you kept your computer + keeping your mouth shut in case of anything and asking for a lawyer...

accepting a parcel in the post office is the best possible place to pick up your order...nobody is going to waste time stalking the PO over a few amps of gear and some tabbies + you can "stalk" the post office for days yourself to cure any paranoia ...

not being at home when they try to deliver is a very good thing IMO...my advice to thegymhitsyou is that you tell the post to hold your mail for a while because you may go away on business ect ect...then you can pick up just the slip in your mailbox and pick up the parcel at the PO when youre ready...Alex

 

[terryd5150]

I say send it to your neighbor's house. That way if HE gets caught, you don't know shit.



But seriously, I used to send mine to this asshole's house up the street (in his name). He worked during the day and I worked at night so I was always around when the mail ran. Whenever the mailman came by my place I'd wait on him to leave, then I'd drive up the street. I cycled for quite a while like that.

Still kinda wish they'd caught a least one pack at his house, damn bastard.

 

[allbeef]

I personally think it is

irresponsible to send gear to your home.

I also think you want to always avoid the US Post Office whether it's renting a mailbox or picking up a pack. They don't have to stake out the place, they just make you come up during business hours to get your pack and guess who meets you on the way out the loby?? the postal Inspector!!
In many cases his office is right there.


No I feel a ma and pop mailbox shop with 24 hour access is your best move as it insulates you in a way that nothing else can. And as the bro said, they aren't going to stake out a box for your personal gear.


Allbeef

 

[thegymhitsyou]

www.realsex.com

 

[Philips]

If you dont wanna sign then dont use registered mail.

 

[Malic777.com]

irresponsible to send gear to your home.

I also think you want to always avoid the US Post Office whether it's renting a mailbox or picking up a pack. They don't have to stake out the place, they just make you come up during business hours to get your pack and guess who meets you on the way out the loby?? the postal Inspector!!
In many cases his office is right there.

No I feel a ma and pop mailbox shop with 24 hour access is your best move as it insulates you in a way that nothing else can. And as the bro said, they aren't going to stake out a box for your personal gear.

its fine to get the parcel at home too...just like the post office...remember that if the parcel is in your name you have zero explaining to do...you got a slip or the postman came you dont know what it is end of story...in my opinion this is the best setup...a clean computer and no paper trail for the deposit and you have a very very good reasonable doubt scenario...signature or no signature its completely irrelevant...

does a postal inspector have the right to detain you? and even if he does what kind of case does he have?..." i dont know what it is" end of story...he does not have an atom of evidence that you knew about the contents of the parcel or made the order...picking up the parcel is not a crime...if youre a bulky mofo you got that way with them suppies from the BB mags just like the land monsters who endorse them let him prove otherwise...

i have personaly talked to a local customs officer who arrested some local criminals that got jugs of coke from colombia in decoy clay pots sent by post...im talking about kilos and kilos...registered and signed for...he walked the next day end of story...youre NOT responsable for something somebody sends you by mail...

mailbox places get parcels seized more often than regular home addresses with regular names...no fancy "burts cyber shop" covers but real names should be used when ordering...any business name on your parcel is a red flag...mailbox places do have their advantages but in my opinion the increased risk at customs outweighs the benefits...

registered mail is less suspect to inspection at customs than "signature waived" and the likes...customs officers are not stupid and they know nobody sends anything thats worth more than a 1$ unregistered...

fact: accepting a parcel in a fake name is extremely incriminating + its ILLEGAL
fact: customs officers will sometimes screen for names and cross check if the address matches the name and if it does not check they may decide to inspect your parcel further...

to put things in perspective in 11 years i have never had a customer visited by anybody...i dont think the other board sponsors are any different...of course seizers do exist and a visit from the nazis is not unthinkable but the situation is not as bad as some people describe...Alex

 

[allbeef]

Malic I didn't specifically mention you because

we function at different levels. I don't mean that offensively or to devalue your opinion.

First of all, we aren't talking about a safe package. that kinda package can be safely recieved by your grandmother. We are talking about a compromised package whether it is domestic or international. And if you play long enough or hard enough sooner or later you have a compromised package arrive in your mailbox.

The issue of whether you use fake ID to open a box and recieve is dependent on how much gear you bring in, whether it is international, whether you have been arrested before, and how long you want to play. There are circumstances that make fake boxes the way to go if you are going to do heavy work for a long period of time. I know the argument about extra charges if you get popped, but I know a lot of guys today who would love to convert their boxes from their real names, unfortunately Sept. 11th,eliminated most of the novelty ID. But these are not the people you were addressing.

What I am saying about the Post Office and reciepts at home is relevant to the personal user. A home is no place to have law enforcement as it is disruptive to the family and to the neighbors. It is irresponsible to take that risk. They can leave a compromised box at your front door and guess what? you have to deal with it. Oh I know you can take it in and write " return to Sender " and then wait for them to show, Thats a fun time for the familiy. Or you can refuse to touch it I guess and let it sit outside the door or in the mailbox and see when they finally show to retrieve it. Thats gotta be fun on the family. Yes in the meantime you can clean the house and the computer and wait with elevated blood pressure. It is a much easier bust and 300 tabs of DBOL to the home has been known to be worth the while of LE because it is a pretty easy thing to figure out " how best to rock your boat "


The Postal Inspector does have the authority to arrest you and he does have his office in many post offices and going up and signing for a compromised package is as close to a controlled delivery as you can get. But they didn't have to pay overtime, leave the building, or break a sweat. No you went in thinking going up to the counter was a safe thing. Go up when you know that that pack with 25,000 DBOL got hung up in customs and yet went on to be delivered to your box at the Post Office. You might do it just because thats too much product to lose and maybe it really did make it through. Ask my freind who had the balls to go up and it cost him everything.

Now lets say that same pack got hung up in customs and then made it to that ma and pop mailbox shop. What do I do? I let the box cool for weeks if I have to. I don't have to ever retrieve it. But if there wasn't a problem, it will be there in 6 weeks, if there was a problem I might just find a card from the detective working the case asking me to call. but my pack would be gone. And they aren't going to approach me at my home and try to get me to take possesion as they know I would know not to do that. And they aren't going to leave it =at the front door of my home. Now they might stake out the box, for a day or two and maybe even call me. I know in my neck of the woods that means they are setting you up so I would be out of town indefinately. I also have 24 hour access and many times because of the nature of ma and pa stores and a more informal and personal approach to service, they may just put the pack in my box having already signed as my agent. If I pick up at odd times like 3am and in a place where there are virtually no cars at that time of the night I am pretty confident that I could identify a car or more likely a van with darkened windows out of place. I could most likely spot a stake out just by driving through a few times in a busy parking lot.

Anyhow, for first offenders the penalty isn't so different whether it is your personal cycle or ten other guys cycle. And so I would take personal amounts as seriously as I would take larger amounts.

A pack that you never take possesion of is technically yours, but when you are not a total phuck up and a prosecutor may not want to deal with AS or likes you and your lawyer it is an easy thing to get spun away from you when you finally get down to discussions with the prosecuter and your attorney. Most AS busts are really rare, but when they happen, and you critique them, you many times see where the gear was delivered to the cops on a silver platter and then they are forced to deal with it.


I hope that clarifies my perspective, and I know that most of my experience is international and yet when people roll domestic appears a much higher risk for problem packs. My international source isn't going to be giving up any information.

Why you buy more time with Fake Boxes? If you haven't a criminal record your picture isn't in the database. In most cases in the event of a truly compromised package you call and close the box because you have been suddenly transferred out of town. You ask that everything be sent back to sender. Now with most seizures there isn't follow up on the local level on east coast, so they don't get to the box to see the ID that opened it. But overtime after a few boxes go down they may actually get to the box and get a picture of you and the fake information. Now here's their problem. In a big city a picture just doesn't get them where they need to be.

Now you can bet if they finally arrest you and your picture gets fed into the data bank if the local LE or customs are sharp they make the connection and you get charged with a bunch of seizures they say occurred but you never possesed.

They will charge you with possesion for those seizures. heres one problem, they are notorius for saying clomid is winny and putting that on the seizure notice. They didn't test it. How would you know what it was you never touched it. It is challanging for them with a good defense attorney and so it doesn't go to trial and it gets pleaded down. And because you are a decent guy, nobody wants to throw you in jail for a first time offense, but they want you to change you ways.

The above paragraph implys that you had no incriminating evidence in the home.

Maybe my perspective is to simple in many regards but again this has been something that has evolved through my experience of others close to me and the critique of busts when they occur.

Again it is an opinion, and opinions are like assholes, everyones got on!

I guess I better add that I stopped handling gear in 2004 when san Francisco customs took down most of the international recieving sources in my state.


Respect

Allbeef

 

[DOGMA]

3. What authority do Postal Inspectors have under the law?
As sworn federal law enforcement agents, Postal Inspectors have the power to serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the United States; make arrests without warrant for postal-related offenses committed in their presence; make arrests without warrants for postal-related felonies cognizable under the laws of the United States, if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person arrested has committed or is committing such a felony; carry firearms, and make seizures of property as provided by law.

4. Can Postal Inspectors open mail if they feel it may contain something illegal?
First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mailpiece. Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence, and therefore may be opened without a warrant.

5. Why do Postal Inspectors frequently conduct joint investigations with other agencies?
Overlapping jurisdiction often requires collaboration with other federal, state and local authorities. Postal Inspectors have developed close working relationships with other agencies that facilitate such cooperation.

6. Do Postal Inspectors get involved in investigations unrelated to mail or the Postal Service?
On rare occasions Postal Inspectors are asked by the U.S. Department of Justice or a U.S. Attorney to assist in an investigation that does not involve the use of the mails. But typically investigations will relate to the Postal Service or the U.S. Mail in some way. For example, securities or insurance fraud may involve sending false statements or claims through the mail. Child molesters may be producing child pornography and distributing it via the U.S. Mail. These types of crimes violate statutes that are within the jurisdiction of the Postal Inspection Service.

 

[Philips]

So now that I have heard all this, I am eager to hear something from someone who has maybe had some experiance with a controled delivery or someone who has been approched by a postal inspector, I mean dude said his friend got busted but did not elaborate. Does anyone have first hand experiance with any of this they would like to share???

 

[Malic777.com]

allbeef...


no offence taken...my only agrument against mailboxplaces is that customs knows about this and that parcels sent to these kind of addreses are more suspect to inspection..

theres many way you can go when ordering and you will hear lots of different opinions from sources,lawyers and recievers of parcels...rick collins for example would not agree with me we had a heated debate on this years ago on some other board but hes a lawyer and not a source and im a source and not a lawyer...i guess each method has its pros and cons and its up to everybody to educate temselves and find what method is best for them...alex

 

[allbeef]

I didn't elaborate very well

But the 25,000 Dbol hung up in San francisco customs and then sent on to the Post Office mailbox with tracking that appeared to show it had been released and not seized, raised flags and it was thoroughly discussed and we errored in our judgement. he went to the Post office, opened the box, got the usual slip to go to the counter for his package. The clerk did the normal thing, went to the back for the pack. Only thing ids he swung by the poastal inspectors office before bringing the pack to the counter. My friend gets the pack and on the way out of the lobby out through a side door comes the Postal inspector and he is arrested with 25,000 DBOL.

The inspector didn't open the box. Customs in San Francisco did.

That is why I don't like USPS boxes, as they jsut leave a slip imn the box and you can't know whether somethings wrong. You want to make them put resources toward popping you and like I said, at the Post Office they don't even have to spend an extra dime to bust you for your pack.


But as Malic said every method has pros and cons and the only thing I have always advocated is open discussion so members get as much information as possible to make informed decisions. To Big A's credit he has allow this kind of discussion over the years and therefore has protected a lot of guys. many sites would say you are informing LE. LE knows the game. Theres nothing here they don't know. But fortunately most cops don't consider gear users phuck ups. Now if you are a phuck up or you drop it in their laps all bets are off.

Heres the other reality, if your a source who does international work, over a period of a few years you may go through 4 or 5 mailboxes because of problems. How many times can you use that home address? The other thing is with a rental mailbox you use a company name. It's the address that gets flagged. As long as they are not getting to the mailbox shop to see the ID used to open the box, they can't connect you. Sooner or later they will get to the mailbox shop and then a clock starts running and your days are numbered but you may still have a year or two till retirement.

I am retired and i have met customs up close and personal.

Allbeef

 

[El Jose Cuervo]

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