Injecting growth IV

[mooch2321]

anyone heard of this? Any benefits to it?

 

[J.Blaze]

IMO the second someone thinks about blasting gh in a vein they need help. There was a study that showed higher blood plasma levels from doing gh iv, but is this really necessary? IV anything is scarey shit.

 

[mooch2321]

not neccessarily scary, just new...
Im sure i could come up with a lot of people that would say anyone who is thinking about injecting testosterone IM needs help. Its all about what you have been exposed to i guess.

 

[gears]

123cctv seems to think it's highly beneficial (albeit, we've never seen nary a picture of him)...but he is basing his opinions on flawed logic due to studies done on plasma GH levels via 3 different types of administration techniques...IM, SQ, and IV. He seems to think that there is a great benefit from having extremely high plasma levels for an extremely short period of time. IV administration WILL cause high levels of plasma GH because you just injected GH directly into the blood stream. Never mind the fact that your GH levels will dip to HALF of your baseline within 2 hours due (I am assuming) to the massive amounts of Somatostatin that is being released to combat, what the endocrine system senses as, an enormously abnormal amount of GH in the blood.

When I saw that there was no reasoning with him, I dropped it. It's just not my thing to argue for very long with someone who refuses to acknowledge they are misguided.

 

[ericraven2003]

Even if there is proven benefits with it, I can go only so far. It would make me feel like a junkie. I won't ever be mainlining anything.

 

[Bolan]

Even if there is proven benefits with it, I can go only so far. It would make me feel like a junkie. I won't ever be mainlining anything.

Same here.......

 

[maldorf]

I would worry that much more about getting an infection. IN this case instead of the infection being located in the area of injection it would be blood bourne and spread througout the body. All of your organs would get hit.

 

[DOHCrazy]

There's a big thread over at T-nation about it. Some people have had great results.

Not sure if I can post a link, if it gets removed, the thread is titled "The HGH Experiment."

http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_onl...4A5012F9559D3484-hf.hydra?id=2803589&pageNo=0

 

[Donzi]

Whether it works or not, it digusts me to think about sticking a needle in my vein.

 

[DOHCrazy]

Whether it works or not, it digusts me to think about sticking a needle in my vein.

IMO, it's the same as sticking a needle into your muscle or into your subcutaneous tissue. If one chose to inject GH IV, they would be injecting GH IV; we should not look at it in the same light as a heroin user injecting heroin IV, just as our culture 'allows' other types of injections.

 

[Massive G]

GH works just fine with out turning yourself into a junkie look alike...

FYI the results from GH have nothing to do with half life....the best cycle for gaining mass is infrequent use of GH EOD or every third day same goes with insulin..you guys are wasting your time and energy worrying about the "half life of GH"

 

[jalsmiley]

GH works just fine with out turning yourself into a junkie look alike...

FYI the results from GH have nothing to do with half life....the best cycle for gaining mass is infrequent use of GH EOD or every third day same goes with insulin..you guys are wasting your time and energy worrying about the "half life of GH"

ditto, ive already heard and knew people to get best results with a couple days off a week whether it was 5days on 2 off or eod etc seemed to make the kit last longer and also yield as good if not better results...dont overanalyze it..if you are worrying about price and trying to get best bang for it you prob shouldnt be spending the money on it

 

[BIG EVIL42]

Does anyone remember these rumors about dorian?

There were silly rumors years and years ago when Dorian was winning back to back Olympia titles and he seemed to be so much "ahead of the pack".......That when dieting he slept with IV's each night flooding his system with Glutamine, BCAA's, Creatine, blah, blah, blah, and ........HGH. I don't think the concept is new and these substance do their jobs pretty well as is. If there were any major advantages to this route of administration, it would probably be mainstream knowledge and another huge blow to our sport. BUT..... This is just my opinion.

 

[swole79]

I'm certainly no GH guru. But I have seen where Dat has mentioned that it's not the length of time that the GH is in the body, but rather the pulsatile manner in which it acts that makes it the most effective. I can also remember him joking about building some type of superhuman by administering GH IV every couple hours throughout the day. Not to different than what we get from GHRP/GHRH's. Higher peaks with shorter duration. He says that it's the hieght of the peak and the frequency with which are bodies are capable of using those peaks which make GH most effective ..........

I know I for one would love to get an intelligent discussion going on this topic.

 

[KillerStack]

Our own Phil Hernon stated that he had clients do growth IV. But only growth straight out of the pharmacy for safety reasons. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure Phil wouldn't elaborate much more on this.

 

[Knight9]

seen someone do it....you do have to dilute it a little more but i forget the exact reason. I was a bit shocked to see it.

 

[hilly2008]

GH works just fine with out turning yourself into a junkie look alike...

FYI the results from GH have nothing to do with half life....the best cycle for gaining mass is infrequent use of GH EOD or every third day same goes with insulin..you guys are wasting your time and energy worrying about the "half life of GH"

Massive if training say 3 on 1 off or 3 on 2 off how you you shoot the growth then and when?

for instance following an eod training protocol most would shoot the growth eod pwo.

if training 3 on 1 off would you still shoot the growth eod and if so when would you shoot in pre bed? in the am? pwo on the days ure taking it?

Ive decided i am going to run some during my pct to help maintain gains while recovering and intend to train 3 on 2 off with some dc principles in there so trying to figure out the best way to dose the HGH.

cheers

hilly

 

[chris250]

Massive if training say 3 on 1 off or 3 on 2 off how you you shoot the growth then and when?

for instance following an eod training protocol most would shoot the growth eod pwo.

if training 3 on 1 off would you still shoot the growth eod and if so when would you shoot in pre bed? in the am? pwo on the days ure taking it?

Ive decided i am going to run some during my pct to help maintain gains while recovering and intend to train 3 on 2 off with some dc principles in there so trying to figure out the best way to dose the HGH.

cheers

hilly

I always thought just taking first thing in the morning, and before bed was best...what is the reason for taking it post workout...to get GH levels up post workout ?

 

[morepain]

GH works just fine with out turning yourself into a junkie look alike...

FYI the results from GH have nothing to do with half life....the best cycle for gaining mass is infrequent use of GH EOD or every third day same goes with insulin..you guys are wasting your time and energy worrying about the "half life of GH"

I AGREE COMPLETELY...it kills me guys come to this...i mean it may (i don't claim to know) have its place in the pro ranks. But most guys contemplating this probably don't even know how many grams of protein they took in today or how much water they are consuming but they are concerned about crap like GH half life and IV injection protocols.

 

[hilly2008]

I always thought just taking first thing in the morning, and before bed was best...what is the reason for taking it post workout...to get GH levels up post workout ?

Yes from my reading its more anecdotal evidence than scientific and more on euro boards but alot of people report very good results when shooting growth and fast slin pwo IM.