PEDs, Growth Hormone, and Insulin Tactics | Kurt Havens

[specter]

What he is talking about would not make any sense to 99% of people. Unless you have studied molecular biology and/or bioengineering.

He’s studying if the cyp esters STRUCTURE (ring-like) affects the ability of esterase to hydrolyze the bonds.

He has a THEORY that he wants to test. His hypothesis is that the cyp ester is less predictable than other esters.

He’s not saying 1g of test cyp doesn’t work.

He’s a researcher who loves AAS. So he’s researching his interests

Exactly, they where talkin about how the esters is "built" where enanthate was more straight and simple and therefor easyer to cleave of and give a higher peak value then cyp. As he also states they are doing a study now to look at it along with NPP. Ppl are takin this way to much as him saying cyp doesnt work.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

Exactly, they where talkin about how the esters is "built" where enanthate was more straight and simple and therefor easyer to cleave of and give a higher peak value then cyp. As he also states they are doing a study now to look at it along with NPP. Ppl are takin this way to much as him saying cyp doesnt work.

I’ll push back on this, as they threw cyp in the bottom, most useless tier for bodybuilding. Most useless. No valid reason to use.

Maybe if you’re picky, one tier below test enan. But they said every other injectable steroid ranks higher.

So if it’s just a “less peak” thing, it doesn’t line up with how they rated it at all.

 

[juggy38]

The thing that throws me off is when someone lies or is delusional about one thing, I think it translates to other things as well.

He’s mentioned something about it being easy for him to get “shredded”, but I’ve never seen photos of this. His contest photos show him to look 10-12 weeks out. If the stage shots are just bad lighting coupled with spilling over, I’d like to see evidence of real bodybuilding success.

I have a very hard time with coaches who can’t walk the walk and talk the talk. Unless you’re very smart, experienced personally, and very successful individually… I can’t.

When someone says “trust me bro”, if they haven’t been in my shoes, I can’t trust. If someone can’t explain the information deeply, I can’t trust.

Probably why I’m not in to many coaches. Most are dumb and successful individuals with good genetics, or smart and failed individuals who can’t take their own advice.

No disrespect, just a personal thing.

Ahh I gotcha. I haven’t really seen much of his “practical” bodybuilding advice or AAS implementation. (Or his clients)

And i absolutely agree. There is a difference what happens on a biological/molecular level and real life.

Psych is exactly the same way. In theory this drug should work better than that drug, and have xxx outcomes. But in real life…..we rarely reach for the supposed “better drug” because it just doesn’t play out like that anecdotally

 

[aHarness]

I wouldn't treat everything he says as an oracle because he found content for himself on the internet and he says something new and different

I 100% agree with your sentiment and main point, but to be fair we should also recognize he is quite literally DOING an actually study on test c vs e in humans currently. He’s not just reading abstracts and making claims.

 

[aHarness]

The thing that throws me off is when someone lies or is delusional about one thing, I think it translates to other things as well.

He’s mentioned something about it being easy for him to get “shredded”, but I’ve never seen photos of this. His contest photos show him to look 10-12 weeks out. If the stage shots are just bad lighting coupled with spilling over, I’d like to see evidence of real bodybuilding success.

I have a very hard time with coaches who can’t walk the walk and talk the talk. Unless you’re very smart, experienced personally, and very successful individually… I can’t.

When someone says “trust me bro”, if they haven’t been in my shoes, I can’t trust. If someone can’t explain the information deeply, I can’t trust.

Probably why I’m not in to many coaches. Most are dumb and successful individuals with good genetics, or smart and failed individuals who can’t take their own advice.

No disrespect, just a personal thing.

For what it’s worth, this was posted today. I don’t have a dog in this fight but figured you’d want to see

 

[Hansy]

For what it’s worth, this was posted today. I don’t have a dog in this fight but figured you’d want to see

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aaron is heavy pretty big guy, kurt is bigger than i expected

 

[nothuman]

For what it’s worth, this was posted today. I don’t have a dog in this fight but figured you’d want to see

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Not bad for any age, let alone a 49 year old

 

[Big Dave Smith]

For what it’s worth, this was posted today. I don’t have a dog in this fight but figured you’d want to see

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Way better than expected!

That’s what I like to see. Respect.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Exactly, they where talkin about how the esters is "built" where enanthate was more straight and simple and therefor easyer to cleave of and give a higher peak value then cyp. As he also states they are doing a study now to look at it along with NPP. Ppl are takin this way to much as him saying cyp doesnt work.

No is doze not give higher peak, it gives a faster peak, with enanthate is after 10 hours post injection and with cyp 10 and half after injection.

 

[juiceball44]

Damn that’s the secret missing piece why I’m not pro size yet, been using test C instead of E!

 

[specter]

I’ll push back on this, as they threw cyp in the bottom, most useless tier for bodybuilding. Most useless. No valid reason to use.

Maybe if you’re picky, one tier below test enan. But they said every other injectable steroid ranks higher.

So if it’s just a “less peak” thing, it doesn’t line up with how they rated it at all.

Yeah that part i didnt see, i saw another clip where they just where talkin about the difference in the way the ester was built, but as with all things ill wait and see what the study they are perfoming ends with
To say that test cyp is worthless is way to much that i agree with

 

[specter]

For what it’s worth, this was posted today. I don’t have a dog in this fight but figured you’d want to see

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dude looks great

 

[specter]

It’s still great, I listen to a ton of his stuff… but I’d enjoy a deeper explanation. Maybe explain why outliers may not metabolize cyp or inconsistencies are more common in cyp vs Enan blood analysis.

Now this could deff be part of it, we are learning more and more about gentic polymorfisems in regards to drug metabolizing, i for one metabolize tramadol like crap the drug has close to 0 effect on me where codeine works wonders for me.

 

[adpolice]

The thing that throws me off is when someone lies or is delusional about one thing, I think it translates to other things as well.

He’s mentioned something about it being easy for him to get “shredded”, but I’ve never seen photos of this. His contest photos show him to look 10-12 weeks out. If the stage shots are just bad lighting coupled with spilling over, I’d like to see evidence of real bodybuilding success.

I have a very hard time with coaches who can’t walk the walk and talk the talk. Unless you’re very smart, experienced personally, and very successful individually… I can’t.

When someone says “trust me bro”, if they haven’t been in my shoes, I can’t trust. If someone can’t explain the information deeply, I can’t trust.

Probably why I’m not in to many coaches. Most are dumb and successful individuals with good genetics, or smart and failed individuals who can’t take their own advice.

No disrespect, just a personal thing.

Exactly and he is most of the time on 3g of gear and 18 iu of seros.No matter your genetics if you know what you are doing with that ped assistance you can't look like that.Plus i work with a lot of well known pros but i can't name them..give me a break