Iron Addict's Gear Use Truisms

[garcia]

I disagree with #9, from personal experience and others.

Almost a guaranteed issue if alcohol or any drugs are introduced during the cycle/pct.

I really thought that was obvious to everyone by now.

 

[doc]

Almost a guaranteed issue if alcohol or any drugs are introduced during the cycle/pct.

It'd probably be a good idea not to drink alcohol or take drugs while administering steroids then, huh? I thought everyone would have known this by now.

 

[Jmoney1234]

Gear Use Truisms
by Iron Addict

I was on another board reading the many posts by people that really don't understand some of the basic truisms of AS use and decided to write a few of these ALMOST universal "isms" down.

1. The more gear you do the more you grow. Sorry I know many of you didn't want to hear that but it's a fact. While going from 500 mgs a week to 1000 may not double your gains it will increase them (assuming training and nutrition are in order) and going from a gram to 2 grams a week will again probably not double your gains but again will increase them.

2. Something happens when mega-dosing (2+ grams a week) that simply does not occur at lower doses. Magic starts!

3. For growth heavy androgens are the way to go for 80% of trainees. This means a test base with fina, d-ball, adrol, halo, or EQ. Primo, deca winny etc have their uses but NEVER supply the bang for the buck of the heavy hitters and never equate to the growth of the big-boys. If you can't grow on test, tren, and d-ball take up bowling, you ain't gonna grow. Quit searching for exotic roids that you think will somehow catapult you to the next level. The basics are where it's at. The only thing that grows better on the light anabolics is your supplier’s wallet!

4. Shots should NOT hurt, or hurt VERY LITTLE! If the mg per ml ratio is correct for the gear/ester a shot should not be painful and should not cause swelling. ALL common gear (in oil, water based suspensions are a different animal) flows absolutely fine through a 25 gauge pin and if you can give me one reason to use anything else I would be stupefied! It is NOT the amount of oil that causes pain, it is the solvent content. MORE IS NOT BETTER!

5. MANY, MANY people are simply not bothered by est related sides. I see posts all the time by people that have just always assumed they had to use anti-e's and have never even done a cycle without them. If you are not sure you should certainly have them on hand in case, and they should always be used post-cycle but why use them if they are not needed? I have NEVER used anti-e's during a cycle even when doing 3 grams a week test. I have NEVER had any est related problem. Even when doing synovex with the est left in. Probably 80% of people do need anti-e protection but if you don't need it why are you doing it? All anti-e's reduce the anabolic effects of gear to some degree.

6. Doing gear does NOT stop overtraining from occurring, it greatly reduces its effects but EVERYONE still has a point (volume/frequency) at which overtraining occurs. THE BIGGEST SINGLE REASON PEOPLE DO NOT GROW IS THEY OVERTRAIN, PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION! I always suggest doing a routine that someone knows they can grow on when not juicing then the gear will amplify the training results. Most people overtrain and don't grow optimally or at all.

7. After your first couple of cycles each subsequent cycle has diminishing returns. You lose a large percentage of your gains post cycle. Don't tell me you keep all or most of your gains. If it worked that way the average guy starting out at 170 that gained 20 lbs each cycle and kept 15 would only need to do 6 cycles spread out over two years to be a 260 lb FREAK. It don't work that way sorry!

8. The big boys (competitive Bodybuilders and powerlifters) generally stay on year round. I know many of you didn't want to hear this.....sorry! That is how they avoid the weight yo-yo's and consistently go up.

9. The toxicity of orals is SEVERELY OVERSTATED. I have never talked to or exchanged information with someone that actually had blood-work done while on that still thought they were toxic. The people that will tell you how poison they are have NEVER been tested while doing them. I have done d-ball for over a year strait at 75+ mgs per day while being tested. No problems. They should still be used cautiously but until you have had blood-work done you have no idea how they will effect you. Nonetheless people recommending only using them for 4 weeks are fucking clueless!

10. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH SIZE AND STRENGT YOU SHOULD/WILL GAIN ON A CYCLE. QUIT ASKING!

11. NO ONE CAN PREDICT WHAT SIDE EFFECTS YOU WILL INCUR, QUIT ASKING!

12. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH YOU WILL LOSE POST-CYCLE, QUIT ASKING.

13. All these things can only be learned in retrospect AFTER you have tried. Your individual metabolism is unique onto itself. You will never know until you try.

14. All AS work best in a calorie and macro/micro nutrient overabundance environment. If you are a 180-225 lb lifter and are not getting at least 300-350 grams of protein EVERY DAY quit bitching that your not growing. If you are 225 and above you need 350-400+ grams a day if you are training heavy. Step up to the dinner plate or go home.

15. Losing bodyfat while gaining muscle is not an optimal situation. MANY can pull it off, most people fall flat on their face attempting it. Add mass then cut. They should be separate phases.

More to follow.....

xcelbeyond

I am gonna have to print this and give it to a quite a few people I know.:headbang:

 

[comedycentral]

Was this originally from iron addict wes who is now sadly no longer with us??

I only ask because I'm certain his views and advice seemed very different if you read IA board, certainly in the later years.

If its a different person I apologise

 

[pieguy]

Same person. Wes kept it strictly non-AAS related no his board so he was constantly talking to natty's only in his posts.

 

[Solo_]

Great post! Sticky!

 

[Johnny Smiles]

Brilliant post

well, that's it guys and gals. nothing more to say. that sums it up. end of thread/message board... lol.

I too have NEVER had any estrogen related side effects. if i didn't read the boards I would think its total myth. I have been on heavy things and heavy dose in the past not even taking an anti e and won a show.
I don't even know what caberline (sp?) is.

I abused things for years and did blood work 2 months after stopping abuse and it was fine. estrogen levels were fine. RBC count a lil high but still in range. not trying to say its safe. but that's my experience.
only thing that ever happended to me is/was high blodd pressure. but honestly, I am starting to think that's because my personality. I am a high stress kind of person....
-JS

 

[BigDM]

Good info. Glad someone bumped it up. Thanks!

 

[Rockclimber]

Bumping This Thread after four years of no activity. I know everyone here has probably read it but it should be bumped to the top for new members. Amazing advice, really throws logic into the discussion rather than relying on so much horrible broscience on so many other boards.