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is 8 weeks of var too much?

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im gonna be starting a 10 week test e run, 250mg e3d.........so some weeks its 500mg and some its 750mg , every third week to be exact

was gonna throw in 75 mg var ed for first 8 weeks...............im 44 and on 125mg trt in between blasts so no pct......................its my second run, first was 500mg for 10 weeks, no issues with test, i tried dbol at 40mg and made it 4 days, not for me


is 8 weeks ed too long for var?
 
some say they run 8-12 but i would not go over 4 wks myself very hard on the cholesterol.
 
yeah, ive heard both , wanted to get a consensus, i have good chol readings normally , overall health is good, does var fack with bp like dbol? i have my own monitor and dbol screwed up my sleep and bp, took me 2 weeks to level out


i chose var cuz its not that harsh , i may be sensitive to orals , still figuring things out
 
var didnt effect my BP at all. but you wont have good chol, reading after the var. it messes with good and bad chol,
 
well, test does also, but it will settle out after no?
 
8 weeks should be fine i know guys who run up to 12...just make sure u keep an eye on the cholesterol
 
how? i get blood work every 3 months, so b4 and after blasts..............
 
What were your ALT and AST numbers on your last draw? If they are elevated then proceed with caution when using any oral. Just my openion.

Best Regardsl..............nf
 
im diabetic an get labs every 3 months hell right now im getting labs done every month for the last 7 months. she has cought my test at 5000, 2600, and u get the picture. the only time shes mentioned my chol, was when i was running var. that doesnt mean test doesnt effect it just not enough that she was concerned.
 
What were your ALT and AST numbers on your last draw? If they are elevated then proceed with caution when using any oral. Just my openion.

Best Regardsl..............nf

at the end of my 500 e 10 week run they were , and this is back in dec


ast - 29 range 10-40

alt - 24 range 9-60


what are these? cuz i wasnt paying much attention to them, more to rbc , was 5.76 (4.2-5.8) and hematocrit 49.9 (38-50) , these are both near upper end, thats expected with test, im sure theyve come done some after 10 weeks of 125mg.............


im awaiting results from a few days ago as i get checked after a run and b4 a new run
 
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AST and ALT are jointly known as transaminases. They are associated with inflammation and/or injury to liver cells, a condition known as hepatocellular liver injury. Damage to the liver typically results in a leak of AST and ALT into the bloodstream.

Because AST is found in many other organs besides the liver, including the kidneys, the muscles, and the heart, having a high level of AST does not always (but often does) indicate that there is a liver problem. For example, even vigorous exercise may elevate AST levels in the body. On the other hand, because ALT is found primarily in the liver, high levels of ALT almost always indicate that there’s a problem with the liver. (Conversely, a normal ALT level does not necessarily mean that the liver is definitely normal- but, more about this later.)

Despite what one might expect, high levels of transaminases in the blood don’t always reveal just how badly the liver is inflamed or damaged. This is an extremely important point to keep in mind. The normal ranges for AST and ALT are around 0 to 40 IU/L and 0 to 45 IU/L respectively. (IU/L stands for international units per liter and is the most commonly accepted way to measure these particular enzymes.) But someone who has an ALT level of 50 IU/L is not necessarily in better condition than someone with an ALT level of 250 IU/L! This is because these blood tests measure inflammation and damage to the liver at an isolated point in time. For instance, if the liver is inflamed on the day that blood was drawn—let’s say if a patient consumes an alcoholic drink a few hours prior to blood being drawn—the levels of the transaminases may be much higher than if the alcohol had not been consumed. Following the same reasoning, if the liver was damaged years before—by excessive alcohol use—the results of a blood test done today may be normal, but a damaged liver may still be present.

To confuse issues even further, there are many other factors besides liver injury that could affect the levels of AST and ALT. For example, males have higher transaminase levels than females. And, African-American men have higher AST levels compared with Caucasian men. Even the time of day that a blood sample is drawn may influence the level of transaminase elevation. People appear to have higher transaminase levels in the morning and afternoon than in the evening. Food intake does not appear to have a significant effect on transaminase levels. Thus, levels do not significantly differ in the fasting and non-fasting state. Finally, transaminase levels may vary from day-to-day.

The ratio of the ALT and AST may also provide useful information regarding the extent and cause of liver disease. Most liver diseases are characterized by greater ALT elevations than AST elevations. Two exceptions to this rule exist. Both cirrhosis and/or alcohol abuse are associated with higher AST levels than ALT levels, often in a ratio of approximately 2:1.

Elevations of the transaminases occur due to so many causes that they give the doctor only a vague clue of the diagnosis. Additional testing is required in order to determine more precisely what is wrong with the liver. Some possible causes of elevated transaminase levels include the following:
 
found it

AST and ALT are jointly known as transaminases. They are associated with inflammation and/or injury to liver cells, a condition known as hepatocellular liver injury. Damage to the liver typically results in a leak of AST and ALT into the bloodstream.

Because AST is found in many other organs besides the liver, including the kidneys, the muscles, and the heart, having a high level of AST does not always (but often does) indicate that there is a liver problem. For example, even vigorous exercise may elevate AST levels in the body. On the other hand, because ALT is found primarily in the liver, high levels of ALT almost always indicate that there’s a problem with the liver. (Conversely, a normal ALT level does not necessarily mean that the liver is definitely normal- but, more about this later.)

Despite what one might expect, high levels of transaminases in the blood don’t always reveal just how badly the liver is inflamed or damaged. This is an extremely important point to keep in mind. The normal ranges for AST and ALT are around 0 to 40 IU/L and 0 to 45 IU/L respectively. (IU/L stands for international units per liter and is the most commonly accepted way to measure these particular enzymes.) But someone who has an ALT level of 50 IU/L is not necessarily in better condition than someone with an ALT level of 250 IU/L! This is because these blood tests measure inflammation and damage to the liver at an isolated point in time. For instance, if the liver is inflamed on the day that blood was drawn—let’s say if a patient consumes an alcoholic drink a few hours prior to blood being drawn—the levels of the transaminases may be much higher than if the alcohol had not been consumed. Following the same reasoning, if the liver was damaged years before—by excessive alcohol use—the results of a blood test done today may be normal, but a damaged liver may still be present.

To confuse issues even further, there are many other factors besides liver injury that could affect the levels of AST and ALT. For example, males have higher transaminase levels than females. And, African-American men have higher AST levels compared with Caucasian men. Even the time of day that a blood sample is drawn may influence the level of transaminase elevation. People appear to have higher transaminase levels in the morning and afternoon than in the evening. Food intake does not appear to have a significant effect on transaminase levels. Thus, levels do not significantly differ in the fasting and non-fasting state. Finally, transaminase levels may vary from day-to-day.

The ratio of the ALT and AST may also provide useful information regarding the extent and cause of liver disease. Most liver diseases are characterized by greater ALT elevations than AST elevations. Two exceptions to this rule exist. Both cirrhosis and/or alcohol abuse are associated with higher AST levels than ALT levels, often in a ratio of approximately 2:1.

Elevations of the transaminases occur due to so many causes that they give the doctor only a vague clue of the diagnosis. Additional testing is required in order to determine more precisely what is wrong with the liver. Some possible causes of elevated transaminase levels include the following:



As I'm sure you know, oral steroids can be harsh on the liver which is why I ask about those levels. Yours look fine. I don't think 8 weeks is too long. But if your sensitive to orals you may want to lower that dose to 50mg/day.



Be well..............nf
 
oh yes, im aware, i use ai cycle support to help, im sober so no issue there.............well, my body didnt like the dbol, ill see how i do at 75, i was told its so non harsh no need to ramp up
 
cholesterol

some say they run 8-12 but i would not go over 4 wks myself very hard on the cholesterol.

Will cholesterol meds like zocor help with cholesterol because of AAS?
 

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