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IS THIS A SIGN OF HEART TROUBLE?

DOOGIE DOG

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A big guy at my gym has had two episodes this year during leg training. Both times it's happened during close stance squats using a hammer strength machine and both times I was there to witness him panicking.

He was pushing to failure in around the 10 rep area and his heart rate got way up. The only weird thing is that it got up and stayed up for like 5 minutes. I thought he was having a heart attack. SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME!!!!!

The doctor prescribed him an albuterol inhaler thinking it might be asthma related but I think it could be from steroids or him doing the squats with a close stance on that machine is cutting off his breathing some during the performance. Anyone else ever experience this or have any suggestions for him? I told him I woud ask the professionals on this board. Oh and he does fine with HIT cardio on a bike!:confused:
 
sounds like atrial fibrilation to me. I had to have a procedure to correct it.
 
tell him to breathe more during squats. all that work requires extra O2. deep breaths.
 
sounds like atrial fibrilation to me. I had to have a procedure to correct it.

You obviously have no idea what afib is. Afib is an irregular heart rate that is always irregular. Yes you can have short blast of afib, but he said his heart rate was elevated, so unless it was afib with a rapid ventricular response this is not it. Also afib can only be diagnosed with an EKG. PSVT makes more sense. So dont guess about someones possible cardiac troubles.
 
sounds like the heart is not receiving sufficient oxygen during this time. either he is not breathing correctly or has some type of heart problem. i use an albuterol inhaler and the LAST thing i would ever want to do when my heart rate was jacked up was to take the inhaler as it tends to speed it up even more.
 
sounds like the heart is not receiving sufficient oxygen during this time. either he is not breathing correctly or has some type of heart problem. i use an albuterol inhaler and the LAST thing i would ever want to do when my heart rate was jacked up was to take the inhaler as it tends to speed it up even more.
Hmm..Both times this incident occured he had not used his albuterol inhaler prioe to doing squats. It almost sounds like an exercise induced asthma attack coupled with not being able to breath correctly while using this particular exercise machine. It's never happened to him with any exercise but close stance on a hammer squat machine, including wide stance squats on hammer squats. He goes down pretty deep and wears a belt. I think the angle of the machine coupled with getting more range of motion is cutting off his breathing and causing his heart rate to soar. I do know he no longer uses trenbolone because it affected his breathing really bad at times.
 
You obviously have no idea what afib is. Afib is an irregular heart rate that is always irregular. Yes you can have short blast of afib, but he said his heart rate was elevated, so unless it was afib with a rapid ventricular response this is not it. Also afib can only be diagnosed with an EKG. PSVT makes more sense. So dont guess about someones possible cardiac troubles.
Thanks Medic08. I looked up afib and you are correct. What is PSVT and how is it treated?
 
tell him to breathe more during squats. all that work requires extra O2. deep breaths.
He said hes tried but is having problems with close stance squats. He will no longer do this exercise so time will tell if thats the real culrpit or not?
 
I just got off the phone talking with this guy and he said the first episode was the worst and he was in fact on tren during that time as I remembered. Now he is using test and deca.

Will an asthma attack cause heart rate to stay elevated? My guess is yes and that something as brutal as squats could bring on an attack fast.
 
Thanks Medic08. I looked up afib and you are correct. What is PSVT and how is it treated?

I know I'm right, lol. J/k I'm a paramedic and the way we treat parasoxamal super ventricular tachycardia(psvt) n the ambulance is to give an antidysrythmic call adenosine(adenacard). Some times this does not work and a calcium channel blocker such as cardizem or verapamil is given to treat in an emergency setting. If someone has chronic episodes of psvt then they will be put on a calcium channel blocker everyday. I'm not saying that's what happened to him, but it is an option.
 
You obviously have no idea what afib is. Afib is an irregular heart rate that is always irregular. Yes you can have short blast of afib, but he said his heart rate was elevated, so unless it was afib with a rapid ventricular response this is not it. Also afib can only be diagnosed with an EKG. PSVT makes more sense. So dont guess about someones possible cardiac troubles.

Well, I have what is called a rare afib that goes un-noticed until I really push myself too hard and it sounds exactly what happens to me. I take a beta blocker to keep it from racing like what is described here.

I have had episodes that last many hours, they would usually stop by the time I reached the doctor's office. They would usually start at night and stop in the morning. I had one that lasted 12 hours and finally my Doctor actually "caught" the event with a EKG. I was tacky at about 180bpm and an irregular beat. Did the blood work each time, and found no problems. Did the nuclear stress test, ultrasound and said everything is structurally fine.

Yes gear causes this to trigger in me. Test doesn't but npp and deca and tren raise my heart rate and trigger an arrhythmia. I stay away from them now for this reason.

Medic08, why are you scolding someone for guessing about cardiac troubles? Isn't that what everyone else does here? So dont guess about someones possible cardiac troubles. :cool:

I posted a link for everyone to bone up on the arrhythmia info. Sounds like most don't know much about it.

Atrial Fibrillation - What is Afib?
 
Well, I have what is called a rare afib that goes un-noticed until I really push myself too hard and it sounds exactly what happens to me. I take a beta blocker to keep it from racing like what is described here.

I have had episodes that last many hours, they would usually stop by the time I reached the doctor's office. They would usually start at night and stop in the morning. I had one that lasted 12 hours and finally my Doctor actually "caught" the event with a EKG. I was tacky at about 180bpm and an irregular beat. Did the blood work each time, and found no problems. Did the nuclear stress test, ultrasound and said everything is structurally fine.

Yes gear causes this to trigger in me. Test doesn't but npp and deca and tren raise my heart rate and trigger an arrhythmia. I stay away from them now for this reason.

Medic08, why are you scolding someone for guessing about cardiac troubles? Isn't that what everyone else does here? So dont guess about someones possible cardiac troubles. :cool:

I posted a link for everyone to bone up on the arrhythmia info. Sounds like most don't know much about it.

Atrial Fibrillation - What is Afib?

I didn't scold him, but people shouldn't give advice if the don't know what they are talking about. The op said his buddy had an accelerated heart rate. Afib does not fit the bill. Afib is an irregularlly irregular ryhtem that is between 60-100 bpm. If it goes above 100 then it's uncontrolled afib or afib with a raps ventricular response. People that have spouts of afib usually complain of palpatations, not tachycardias. Svt is a heart that is between 151-250bp, regular ryhthem. Psvt fits the bill more, because svt can be triggered very easily when someone gets their heart rate too high. Afib is when muliple foci try to fire all at once so there is no lead pacemaker which is hy it is an irregular rate. People with afib typically have a medical issue and Ned to be on medication, where as psvt is common and could be vey quick short blast. So based off of my knowledge, and his symptoms I was taking a bullshit guess. This is a medical opinion and has evidence to back it up. I didn't just make some off the wall comment.
 
I had a heart attack last summer doing squats and then a really bad case of tachycardia 2 months later and now have an implanted defribrillator/pacemaker. I can say from my experience that I had that very same thing happen to me. When I had the tachycardia the second time, after my heart attack, mine went on for longer than 5 mintues though. Eventually mine got so fast that I passed out and the paramedics that came to my home had to shock me 2x to get my heart back into rhythm. This friend on yours sounds like he may have a serious heart issue. Im wondering just how fast his HR got? If it gets fast enough he can go into V fib and then eventually die. I was close to going into V fib myself and thats why they had to shock me.
He should see a cardiologist and have an ekg, blood work, and ultra sound of the heart done. He could have some kind of cardiomyopathy and his ejection fraction is comprimised.
Does he find his heart rate is a bit elevated most of the day? 80 bpm or more? Does he get winded easy doing squats and other heavy lifts? I noticed those things happening to me and I used to brush it off as overtraining or just being in poor cardio shape. THe tren always makes all of that worse too. He should not wait any longer, and should have it checked out. He doesnt necessarily have to tell the docs that hes using AAS, if that is what is keeping him from seeing a doc.
 
You need to have your friend come on here and read that thread about what happend to me last summer. He needs to see a doctor sooner rather than later. He really could have a problem that could threaten his life. Nothing to mess around with. That tachycardia he is having is not normal, and is not related to asthma. I have asthma and use albuterol daily. It has never caused that reaction, nor has the lack of its use. If you are suffering asthma you will not have that racing heart rate reaction. That is not normal even in an asthmatic. I know, ive been asthmatic my whole life and I am 39 yrs old.
 
I had a heart attack last summer doing squats and then a really bad case of tachycardia 2 months later and now have an implanted defribrillator/pacemaker. I can say from my experience that I had that very same thing happen to me. When I had the tachycardia the second time, after my heart attack, mine went on for longer than 5 mintues though. Eventually mine got so fast that I passed out and the paramedics that came to my home had to shock me 2x to get my heart back into rhythm. This friend on yours sounds like he may have a serious heart issue. Im wondering just how fast his HR got? If it gets fast enough he can go into V fib and then eventually die. I was close to going into V fib myself and thats why they had to shock me.
He should see a cardiologist and have an ekg, blood work, and ultra sound of the heart done. He could have some kind of cardiomyopathy and his ejection fraction is comprimised.
Does he find his heart rate is a bit elevated most of the day? 80 bpm or more? Does he get winded easy doing squats and other heavy lifts? I noticed those things happening to me and I used to brush it off as overtraining or just being in poor cardio shape. THe tren always makes all of that worse too. He should not wait any longer, and should have it checked out. He doesnt necessarily have to tell the docs that hes using AAS, if that is what is keeping him from seeing a doc.

Sounds like you were either in psvt or vtach with a pulse. Glad to hear your ok bro. Your correct about vfib though. If someones heart gets too fast (vtach, svt) then it can lead to vfib which means your are dead. Sounds like you had a pretty sick heart. Glad that you got the AICD placed. It will save your life if it happens again.
 
Maldorf's response was spot on. Have your friend see a doc. Things a doc can do for your friend are blood work, ECG, stress test, and an echocardiogram. Blood work will show recent muscle damage, some tests very specific to cardiac muscle. An ECG will show the current HR and rhythm but can also show prior infarct or damage, a 12 lead ECG can localize any damage to the anatomical location of the heart. A cardiac stress test will monitor the electrical cardiac while running on a treadmill to see if any changes occur. An echocardiogram is an ultrasound of the heart. It lets a specialized tech look at the valves and chambers of the heart and often will note many abnormalities. I tend to agree with Medics opinion, probably SVT or PSVT. However, if it flips into vfib or Vtac your friend will need immediate medical attention, drugs, and a defibrillator.
 
I tend to have exactly the same problem with squats or lunges every time in the gym, regardless if I am on AAS or not. It happens to me when I stop, while I am trying to catch my breath. My heart goes from pumping normally fast and then all of sudden it starts racing pretty fast, but with not much pressure, which causes my eyes to black out. At that point I have to sit down and lower my head to get blood to it.

It usually lasts 15 to 30 sec, never more than that. And notice that anxiety and lack of sleep triggers it more frequently. I have that problem for about 4 years now.

After the echo cardiogram , the doctor said I have a little bit of blood reflux in one of the valves and that could be the cause of the arrhythmia.
 
Here is another serious condition to consider. If someone is having issues with their heart while under stress it is not something to be taken lightly. I would seek a cardiologist before something tragic occurs. I had a stress test done a few years back just to be on the safe side. An ounce of prevention................................

High-intensity strength training may lead to a potentially deadly condition called aortic dissection, in which the heart's major artery tears.

That's the conclusion of new research by a team of Yale University experts that appears in the Dec. 3 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

"Dissection happens in a split second," says Dr. John Elefteriades, chief of cardiothoracic surgery at Yale University and Yale-New Haven Hospital and the lead author of the report, which is contained in a letter to the journal.

In those who lift weights and already have an enlarged aorta, the elevated blood pressure that occurs during weight training may lead to the dissection, Elefteriades says.

Using a Yale database, Elefteriades and his colleagues identified five people who suffered acute dissection of the aorta during high-intensity weight training or other strenuous exercise. At the moment the dissection occurred, two of the people were weight training, one was trying to move a heavy granite structure, and two were doing pushups, the researchers say.

All were found to have an enlarged aorta, but not at a level expected to present a high risk of dissection, Elefteriades says.

Three patients who had surgical repair survived; the other two died before surgery could be attempted.

The condition of aortic dissection is "uncommon but not rare," says Elefteriades, adding that it is what killed actor John Ritter and has been declared the cause of death of many athletes who died suddenly.

Aortic dissection strikes about two of every 10,000 people, according to the National Institutes of Health. While it can affect anyone, it's most often seen in men ages 40 to 70, the NIH says.

"We're not saying stop weight training," says Elefteriades, a long-time weight trainer himself. "It's a wonderful activity and a very important activity." It can help maintain muscle mass as you age, for instance, and help maintain strength for everyday chores such as carrying groceries.

But Elefteriades does recommend caution in certain people, including those with known aortic aneurysms -- a widening or ballooning of the vessel caused by disease or a weakening of the vessel wall. Also, those with a family history of aneurysm or dissection, underlying high blood pressure, and those at or beyond middle age should be cautious, he says, because the aorta stiffens with age. Those with connective tissue disease -- such as rheumatoid arthritis -- are also at higher risk, he says.

"I think there has to be this underlying enlargement [of the aorta] before the dissection happens," Elefteriades says.

"But we wanted to sound this warning bell that strength training and weight lifting can cause these dissections in people who already have a mild enlargement of the aorta," he adds.

The problem, Elefteriades says, is that many people with an enlargement don't know they have it. An echocardiogram -- an ultrasound evaluation of the heart -- can determine whether the aorta is enlarged, he says.

When dissection of the aorta occurs, "the aorta splits into two layers," Elefteriades says. "It splits in such a way that it becomes a double-barreled tube instead of a single-barreled one." You can quickly lose blood internally and die.

Until more research is done, what should weight lifters who may be at risk do? Avoid weight training so strenuous that your blood pressure rises excessively, Elefteriades says.

"We do know that levels of blood pressure that are high are dangerous," he says. Serious weight trainers, who often bench press 300 or 400 pounds, may get blood pressures that are dangerously elevated, even up to 370 millimeters of mercury systolic, he says. Normal systolic pressure, measured as the heart beats, is below 120; normal diastolic pressure, measured as the heart rests between beats, is below 80, Elefteriades says.

While it's difficult to pinpoint how much weight is too much, Elefteriades suggests that for upper body weight training, "above half your body weight you are starting to get into the high pressure zone. For the lower body, the legs are stronger, so you could probably lift more than half your body weight [safely]."

Serious weight trainers should consider having an echocardiogram, he says.

The other take-home advice from the report is very obvious for weight lifters or would-be weight lifters, says Dr. Craig Miller, the Doelger Professor of Cardiovascular Surgery at Stanford University Medical School.

"If they have dilation or aneurysm of the thoracic aorta or a connective tissue disorder or a family history of premature aortic catastroiphic complications, do not weight lift," Miller says.
 
Sounds like you were either in psvt or vtach with a pulse. Glad to hear your ok bro. Your correct about vfib though. If someones heart gets too fast (vtach, svt) then it can lead to vfib which means your are dead. Sounds like you had a pretty sick heart. Glad that you got the AICD placed. It will save your life if it happens again.

Yes, I had vtach. I passed out right when the guys arrived here at the house. they were hooking up the leads for an ekg when I went out. THey said I scared the shit out of them! Might add I had what is called a thready pulse. When I was trying to feel it radially or on the carotid I couldnt feel a thing. Every once in awhile you might feel a little blip but that was it. I knew I was in big trouble then. Eventually my entire left side of the body went numb. I couldnt feel a thing when I touched my arm or leg. Felt like it had fallen asleep. Waiting for that ambulance to get here was the most scared ive ever been. Each passing minute my condition got worse. It took them about 20 minutes or more to get here! They know its a problem but because of funding problems they cannot afford to build a station closer to my neighborhood. The thing that sucks is there is a station that is like 5 minutes from here but they cannot respond to calls here. I guess they dont have reciprocity! Bad state of affairs. If they had been another 5 minutes I may not be here typing this right now.
 
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