Justin Compton reacts to 14g cycle

[Muay Thai]

I can't believe the volume of injections that it would take for a 14 gram cycle

Same bro. Insane. All that gso in your limbs lol I respond better to mct oil

 

[Muay Thai]

If I remember correctly you didn’t have to use crazy dosages either when you got your pro card?

Question- did you use more in your earlier years and less as your tissue maturity accumulated over time with age or did your dosage progressively increase as you pushed up in size?

Matt porter rip looked ridiculous and ran tiny doses for a long time when competing although he was not ifbb pro it was impressive

 

[Flex500]

People always say this, but I think people are most influenced by what the guy 20lbs bigger than them is doing.
I find it very hard to believe a 180lb kid would run 10 grams of gear simply because they heard its what Ronnie coleman did for 2002 olympia...
I see a lot of guys now run very low doses.
Gone are the days of 500mg test, its guys on their 3rd or 4th cycle, using 280mg test 190mg primo 115mg masteron 12.5mg anavar...
From what I've seen the "less is more" wave has really taken over.
Sure there are still the perma blasting tren influencer group that is always going to push things
but I see a lot of guys now taking gear just to take gear and seemingly just to categorize themselves as "ENHANCED" in their own head.

I kind of am right in line with this. Bunch of 20-25 year olds running 150 test/150 mast/20 var with dbol on trianing days. When I was 20 it was 400-600 test all the time lol. You have guys now on their 8th cycle trying to figure out how to have 8 different compounds under 500mgs total a week. I'm actually not even saying it's bad...just kind of funny. Heck it may be better. Saw a kid the other day on his 4th cycle and it's 150 test / 100 tren. Small, ripped kid.

But I do agree...I don't anyone is emulating the mega doses outside of maybe some extreme competitors. Your guys with the rich piana personality who are dying to go pro and just keep upping the dose to outer space.

There is also a barrier to entry for mega doses for most...the amount of injections. Most people are just not going to do that.

 

[PRorER]

Just don’t be the bodybuilder who runs gear, eats crap, drinks, smokes and doesn’t do cardio. Have seen many of these guys over the years and their blood work. It’s not pretty.

While IM NOT advocating for this, I’m genuinely convinced if you eat clean, stay relatively sober, do cardio and sleep is solid you can run some hefty cycles while not getting bloodwork and come out unscathed (this is assuming their are no hereditary conditions present)

 

[bbxtreme]

While IM NOT advocating for this, I’m genuinely convinced if you eat clean, stay relatively sober, do cardio and sleep is solid you can run some hefty cycles while not getting bloodwork and come out unscathed (this is assuming their are no hereditary conditions present)

Absolutely if you’re using the right supps and preventative items.

The only thing I disagree or wouldn’t gamble with better said is not getting bloodwork.

I think if someone wants to take on running gear that they should be prepared to run scheduled labs with it. Why would you not.

One thing I believe all these longevity and TRT clinics are doing right is selling packages that include scheduled blood work in which they use to base your TRT and health program off of.

Bodybuilders tend to do it backwards or just skip it all together unless they feel something off, which at that point you’ve missed the prevention step and are playing clean up.

It’s a tool we have easier access to than it is to get gear, is cheap yet many people put it as an afterthought.

 

[intensevolume1]

While IM NOT advocating for this, I’m genuinely convinced if you eat clean, stay relatively sober, do cardio and sleep is solid you can run some hefty cycles while not getting bloodwork and come out unscathed (this is assuming their are no hereditary conditions present)

You're not really wrong. High blood pressure is the biggest issue and if that's controlled you can most likely get away with some abuse.

 

[Flex500]

Justin Compton and the host of the show going over the somewhat infamous 14g and 56iu gh cycle of Heiko Kallbach and discussing the current theory of top pro cycles being 5g+

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I competed against Justin at the Upper Ohio Valley. I think it was 2010 or so. It's funny on facebook like 5 years ago he told me he couldn't believe how big I was. Funny that I really did nothing except get my ass kicked on a national stage and he turned into a mega freak lol

I have nothing else to add other than he's a cool dude.

 

[PRorER]

Absolutely if you’re using the right supps and preventative items.

The only thing I disagree or wouldn’t gamble with better said is not getting bloodwork.

I think if someone wants to take on running gear that they should be prepared to run scheduled labs with it. Why would you not.

One thing I believe all these longevity and TRT clinics are doing right is selling packages that include scheduled blood work in which they use to base your TRT and health program off of.

Bodybuilders tend to do it backwards or just skip it all together unless they feel something off, which at that point you’ve missed the prevention step and are playing clean up.

It’s a tool we have easier access to than it is to get gear, is cheap yet many people put it as an afterthought.

100% agree with everything you said. PM is one of the only places I’ve seen where people come on and say “hey something feels off…” and the first 2 questions I always see are 1) show the bloodwork and 2) what’s your BP. At my gym I know of a handful of guys who haven’t run bloods ever or even check BP and wonder why they feel awful

 

[bbxtreme]

100% agree with everything you said. PM is one of the only places I’ve seen where people come on and say “hey something feels off…” and the first 2 questions I always see are 1) show the bloodwork and 2) what’s your BP. At my gym I know of a handful of guys who haven’t run bloods ever or even check BP and wonder why they feel awful

It’s not just bodybuilders… it’s people in general. They want to wait until something feels off then go to the doctor, describe what feels off and get a solution (prescription) or diagnosis.

It’s almost become a programmed behavior, which it often times can lead to a misdiagnosis or missed markers that would allow for prevention.

Perfect example- 5 weeks out in my prep I started getting extremely fatigued and just felt off. Knowing my body and symptoms AJ and I both jumped to “tanked estrogen”. But I made the call to drive down to Quest and get some stat labs to double check my work.

Glad I did as what we thought was tanked E2 was actually elevated E2 with high prolactin which I have never had on any cycle.

Guessing confidently would have costed me getting dry, risked my fresh gyno surgery and messed up a good week or two of our final prep.

It’s always best to take the guesswork out even if you’re smart as hell and every symptom aligns.

 

[alfresco]

Absolutely if you’re using the right supps and preventative items.

The only thing I disagree or wouldn’t gamble with better said is not getting bloodwork.

I think if someone wants to take on running gear that they should be prepared to run scheduled labs with it. Why would you not.

One thing I believe all these longevity and TRT clinics are doing right is selling packages that include scheduled blood work in which they use to base your TRT and health program off of.

Bodybuilders tend to do it backwards or just skip it all together unless they feel something off, which at that point you’ve missed the prevention step and are playing clean up.

It’s a tool we have easier access to than it is to get gear, is cheap yet many people put it as an afterthought.

agree.

If you can’t afford the blood tests than you can’t afford the PEDS. Conversely, if you can afford the PEDS then you can afford the blood tests.

 

[A50#]

Matt porter rip looked ridiculous and ran tiny doses for a long time when competing although he was not ifbb pro it was impressive

Matt was my buddy, knew him for a very long time. Great guy!!! My boy left us WAY too soon! He did have a different approach of doing some things though.

 

[nothuman]

It’s not just bodybuilders… it’s people in general. They want to wait until something feels off then go to the doctor, describe what feels off and get a solution (prescription) or diagnosis.

It’s almost become a programmed behavior, which it often times can lead to a misdiagnosis or missed markers that would allow for prevention.

Perfect example- 5 weeks out in my prep I started getting extremely fatigued and just felt off. Knowing my body and symptoms AJ and I both jumped to “tanked estrogen”. But I made the call to drive down to Quest and get some stat labs to double check my work.

Glad I did as what we thought was tanked E2 was actually elevated E2 with high prolactin which I have never had on any cycle.

Guessing confidently would have costed me getting dry, risked my fresh gyno surgery and messed up a good week or two of our final prep.

It’s always best to take the guesswork out even if you’re smart as hell and every symptom aligns.

My favorite quote in this context is "test, don't guess"

 

[nothuman]

Interesting about the HGH. Did he specify exactly why large doses are bad for the heart? I would imagine its the cardiomegaly.

This has forever made me afraid to use high HGH doses again. But the good news is the effects reversed once the high dose HGH was discontinued

Anabolic Steroids, Growth Hormone, and Hypertrophy of the Heart - MESO-Rx

The debate on the effect of anabolic substances on the structure of the heart reached another phase, since Finnish scientists studied twenty local

thinksteroids.com

 

[nothuman]

There’s a thread here about a pro that stayed with Big A that was using 20 grams of gear a week. Not too much of a stretch to believe there’s pros using 5 or 14 grams. Hell I’d be using more if I thought it would actually do something for me but unfortunately I was born to the wrong parents and lost the genetic lottery.

What did the 20g pro look like?

 

[nothuman]

This has forever made me afraid to use high HGH doses again. But the good news is the effects reversed once the high dose HGH was discontinued

Anabolic Steroids, Growth Hormone, and Hypertrophy of the Heart - MESO-Rx

The debate on the effect of anabolic substances on the structure of the heart reached another phase, since Finnish scientists studied twenty local

thinksteroids.com

@luki7788 I see you laughed at this. I know the study design was small and another flaw is the steroid + AAS group used higher doses than the steroid only group, but the fact all four of them had the same deleterious effects still means something from a long term standpoint IMO, and I know Dante agrees. It is no smoking gun, but it's also nothing to laugh at either.

 

[luki7788]

@luki7788 I see you laughed at this. I know the study design was small and another flaw is the steroid + AAS group used higher doses than the steroid only group, but the fact all four of them had the same deleterious effects still means something from a long term standpoint IMO, and I know Dante agrees. It is no smoking gun, but it's also nothing to laugh at either.

I laugh because I know many who have abused GH and steroids heavily for decades and it's really hard for me to find anyone among them who would be in worse health today than the average Joe at his age.

besides - we have to pay the price for being superhuman, nothing is free

 

[Hyperemia]

What did the 20g pro look like?

He didn’t stay with me lol. You’d have to ask Big A.

 

[nothuman]

I laugh because I know many who have abused GH and steroids heavily for decades and it's really hard for me to find anyone among them who would be in worse health today than the average Joe at his age.

besides - we have to pay the price for being superhuman, nothing is free

fair enough. I still say blood pressure is king when it comes to cardiomyopathy.

 

[Papabigbiceps]

Guessing confidently would have costed me getting dry, risked my fresh gyno surgery

Wait, can gyno come back after surgically removed?

 

[danieltx]

fair enough. I still say blood pressure is king when it comes to cardiomyopathy.

With years of having read echocardiograms, Justin Harris is very strong in his belief that if bodybuilders would control their blood pressure they'd avoid 90% of the health issues we hear about.