kcal per/lb of muscle

[kid1dakota]

I am curious about something fellas and ladies.We all know that there is 3,500 kcal per pound of fat/adipose.As for muscle ,my research has concluded that a pound of muscle is built from about 600 kcal(mainly protein).Now many experts seem to be unaware of this as when i have asked them this question they didn't know the answer.Some actually answered 3,500 kcal which I know is not true for muscle.

Now my primary question is why do so many recommend 5000-6000 kcal with 400-500 grams of protein etc.. wouldn't it be better to just go with an extra 1,200 kcal a week mainly protein above total burned for about two pounds of lean muscle a week? This over time would build steady lean muscle not compromising health.Your only going to grow so fast anyway,I don't think gorging is gonna force the issue.

From a health standpoint the world health organization has concluded the only way to increase lifespan is a low cal diet.I think many are not only taking in way more than needed for growth but also are hurting their longevity.

Thoughts,opinions?

 

[EVERLAST]

lbs. to grams....

Convert a pound to grams and multiply by 4.
4 cal per gram of protein.
Protein is meat. Horse dog cat and canaries. People too.

 

[kid1dakota]

Convert a pound to grams and multiply by 4.
4 cal per gram of protein.
Protein is meat. Horse dog cat and canaries. People too.

huh? scratching head

 

[kid1dakota]

come on bros,almost 50 views and nothing?

 

[Amazon Doll]

eating protien doesn't make muscles


If your "research" was right my fat fuck of a cousin that sits on the couch all day could eat protien and gain muscle

 

[kid1dakota]

eating protien doesn't make muscles


If your "research" was right my fat fuck of a cousin that sits on the couch all day could eat protien and gain muscle

not quite what i asked or said,thanks for the constructive reply though

 

[HawaiiMuscle]

Posted by Intimid8or @ wcbb

Our muscle tissue consists of approx 70% water, 22% protein, and the remainder is fat, carbohydrates and minerals. By taking away the water content of the muscle which has no calorific value, the total caloric value of one pound of muscle tissue is only approx 700-800 cal. We already know that to add muscle tissue we have to add more calories than our body burns off to synthesise new muscle tissue.

Studies have shown that between 5 to 8 calories are required to support an additional 1 gram of new tissue during growth. With the recommended amount of weight gain per week of 1 lb (1 lb = 454 grams). This gives us an approximate requirement of 2300 – 3500 extra calories would be required per week. Which would give us a requirement of an extra 400 – 500 extra calories per day, above our normal calorific maintenance level.

 

[machola]

huh? scratching head

4kcal/g of protein. 454g in a lb. x 4 = 1816kcal/lb of protein...
muscle is not all protein. there is a small amount of fat and carbs in muscle too.

either way you're over thinking and over simplifying. individual metabolism and activity level are more important when figuring how much to eat. i like phill's method(and nature's) when your body tells you its hungry eat

 

[kid1dakota]

Right,my point was more along the lines you don't need rediculous amount of calories as some take in to build muscle.Being that a pound of muscle is around 600 extra calories.

also my point was that people hear constantly one pound(fat) is 3,500 calories,this does not apply to muscle.Muscle is about 600 and I never stated it was all protein.Aside from water(that I figured was a given) protein ,more specifically A.A.'s. is the predominent builder.
The working out part,I figured was also a given.I never said anything about people(to quote"fat fucks") on couches eating protein gaining muscle,lol.frustrating,people just looking to flame? was trying to have an intelligent conv.

 

[HawaiiMuscle]

Convert a pound to grams and multiply by 4.
4 cal per gram of protein.
Protein is meat. Horse dog cat and canaries. People too.

Meat 16oz x 28g x 4cals = 1792 (-70% water) = 537 cals <---pretty close

Fat 16oz x 28g x 4cals = 4032 (-70% water ?) = 1209 cals

Taking into consideration muscle is 70% water, the calculation is pretty close. The fat is a far cry form 3500 cals...must contain very little water.

 

[HawaiiMuscle]

4kcal/g of protein. 454g in a lb. x 4 = 1816kcal/lb of protein... muscle is not all protein. there is a small amount of fat and carbs in muscle too.

either way you're over thinking and over simplifying. individual metabolism and activity level are more important when figuring how much to eat. i like phill's method(and nature's) when your body tells you its hungry eat

You didn't take into account the water in the protein.

 

[kid1dakota]

now were getting somewhere.thanks for the replys guys

 

[Buildinthaskinnys]

Our muscle tissue consists of approx 70% water, 22% protein, and the remainder is fat, carbohydrates and minerals. By taking away the water content of the muscle which has no calorific value, the total caloric value of one pound of muscle tissue is only approx 700-800 cal. We already know that to add muscle tissue we have to add more calories than our body burns off to synthesise new muscle tissue.

Studies have shown that between 5 to 8 calories are required to support an additional 1 gram of new tissue during growth. With the recommended amount of weight gain per week of 1 lb (1 lb = 454 grams). This gives us an approximate requirement of 2300 – 3500 extra calories would be required per week. Which would give us a requirement of an extra 400 – 500 extra calories per day, above our normal calorific maintenance level.

Yeh I had to learn the hard way, that newbies might be able to gain a pound of lean muscle a week but if you have been training more than 6-8 months typically you are only getting fatter at a pound of week, let me do my science, 1 pound a week, times 4 times a month times 12 months a year equals 48 pounds of muscle in one year?

So the average person needs only 2 years to put the muscle on for his first proshow, give a year to figure out contest prep and voila! your next mr olympia, at aged 16~

The funny thing about bodybuilding is that ectomorphs never realize how endomorphic/mesomorphic they are until they start eating.

 

[dropshot001]

muscle is about 73% water, 21% protein and the rest a little fat/carbs

 

[shawnkarbabacz]

Yeh I had to learn the hard way, that newbies might be able to gain a pound of lean muscle a week but if you have been training more than 6-8 months typically you are only getting fatter at a pound of week, let me do my science, 1 pound a week, times 4 times a month times 12 months a year equals 48 pounds of muscle in one year?

So the average person needs only 2 years to put the muscle on for his first proshow, give a year to figure out contest prep and voila! your next mr olympia, at aged 16~

The funny thing about bodybuilding is that ectomorphs never realize how endomorphic/mesomorphic they are until they start eating.

Thats a VERY good point!

 

[kid1dakota]

Then why does everybody gorge with rediculous amounts of protein and calories? especially if your an advanced lifter who already has most of the mass your gonna gain?
I've just never been on board with 500 grams of protein a day and 5-6000 calories.
I gained most of my mass at about 20% above maintenance and 1-1.5 grams of protein per pound.

I'm not a pro but am bigger than most of the guys i have met doing this protocal.Just has never made sense to me.

Is this due to influence from supplement companies(wanting to sell protein),magazines Etc?

 

[Buildinthaskinnys]

Well most of the advocates of 2.5 grams per lb of protein a day tend to come from magazines, and 95% of the magazine is advertising for supplements, so....

oh also, I was reading the book by Zatsiorsky, "the science and practice of strength training", and it stated in that ( cant remember what year maybe 1990? ) the bulgarian weightlifting team was consuming 2.5 - 3 grams per KILO of bodyweight, keep in mind that these guys train with weights 6 - 7 hours a day! 6 days a week. I would say that the level of protein degradation is higher in these individuals than most pro-bodybuilders, but this could lead to an argument

 

[617ricky]

the bulgarian weightlifting team was consuming 2.5 - 3 grams per KILO of bodyweight

Ya kno, that may be part of the reason of the huge over-inflated recommendation of 2-3g protein per pound.. Because when you look at alot of the studies, they're talking per kg as you said, and 2.2g per kg is only 1g per pound.. And someone posted a study recently, saying that 1g per pound was totally sufficient at supporting new muscle synthesis..

Another reason of the huge 2-3g per pound recommendation, is when you got guys that are 250lb, well past their natural plateaus, so new muscle synthesis is pretty tough to come by, so they're obviously gonna need MUCH more protein than a typical lifter - for new muscle, and just supporting the huge amount of muscle they already have.

Personally, I don't adhere to the 1g per pound - I typically take in 1.5g, maybe 2g on some days.. It's not cuz I'm counting and calculating all my protein - but it's cuz I need all the calories I can get, being pretty lean, and trying to bulk up.. So I'd rather the additional calories come primarily from protein - rather than fat or carbs.