LE and sponsers/sources?

[joeshow5]

This may sound like a stupid question, but what prevents law enforcement from using a forum like this as a way to help with set-ups? What kind of screening is there for the sponsers (please no offense to them) to ensure that they are not connected to any US LE agency? Steroids have become a big deal in the US right now, and it seems to me that pretty much anyone can come on a board like this, find a known source and order? Is it not illegal for out of country sources to mail into the country? What about these domestic suppliers? Do they screen who they deal with? It just seems kind of unbelievable that an annonymous person can come on here, and have pretty much any product delivered right to their door. Am I safe to order? Are you safe to send? maybe I watch too much TV

 

[Fullybuilt]

Its all about the "gray area"

 

[K1]

In this game ANYTHING can happen at ANYTIME!!! Those are the risks that we all take everyday we play this game. If we are not ready to take those risks, then we are in the wrong game................

 

[allbeef]

Resources, Motivation, and Competing Priorities

are the things I identify when I ask the question " what keeps LE.......

Steroid arrests are rather rare and when you critique them you invaribly find errors in judgement and ratting.

What protects domestic sources is their ability to operate anonymously.

There is a right way to source and a half ass way to source. Just like everything else in life average is half ass!

It is great to support friends as they start up, but just be aware of the learning curve involved in the start up of anything new.

Interestingly, when you analyze customer gear arrests you find many of the same problems; mostly a half ass approach to ordering, paying for and recieving gear. I still get people who swear it is safe to send to home and I just wonder how long before they are forced to rethink their position.

It gets serious when you see the charging documents but play the game right from the beginning and chances are you will never have that kind of problem.

You can't eliminate all the risks, but what makes this country great, in my opinion, is there are still ways to stay under the radar and live your life somewhat self determined.

Allbeef

 

[littlemack]

I have a feeling BigA does a little background check on these people. I have quite a bit of confidence in him. He sounds to have been in this game a "LONG" time and has probably seen a lot of boards come and go. The only concern that I have is maybe the higher risk with domestic vs. international. Even though you have the customs issues, the distributors records are all overseas. This story about Bruce Kneller raised that eyebrow. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/02/22/arrest_is_called_first_in_web_steroids_ring/

I don't know anything about this guy other than what I've googled on the net, but LE claims to have all his computer records with customer transaction history. Why did he keep records? I don't know. Maybe he didn't want to get popped for tax evasion too?

That's when I start thinking "international" will be the last man standing.
But I am very new to all of this, and some of these guys have YEARS of experience and seen a lot of "good people" and "scammers" come and go. Also, some of these domestics have been around FOREVER as well and have probably got a real good handle on how to play this game.

Maybe BigA will chime in if he's not too busy?

 

[Big A]

Every source here I have either known for years, some personally, or they are vouched for by people that I have known for years.
If there's anything wrong at all with a sources set up or their character, they don't get approved.

All the foreign sources are legitimate companies in their own countries. They don't break the law. The onus is on the purchaser to make sure he/she doesn't break the law in his/her country.

 

[allbeef]

And we can all thank Big A for having the balls

to let us discuss these issues openly. Some boards are just too paranoid and that really creates a diservice to the community.

I only took a glance at the Red Star newpaper story above but like I said average doesn't get you very far. I don't care how nice of a guy he was he was his own worst enemy.

He wasn't anonymous!!! and in 2006!!!

We have known for years that you don't recieve customer payments in the mail. If I get a payment address in the US for you and if I want to bad enough I can get up close and personal. Even if you have someone else picking up, you better hope they can never ID you because your payment reciever who you are paying $10 a payment to collect for you is going to roll.
And don't tell me you only give your addy to your most trusted bro's! you are a fool, there aren't those kind of friends if you are sourcing. When you retire you can have close friends on the board, but until you do, they are aquaintenances. Your supplier should be the only one who has your addy and if he is domestic you still have a small vulnerablity here.

You don't have thousands and thousands of tabs in your home. The only place you should ever get popped is picking up from a mailbox and if you are sharp enough that should never happen. If you get popped picking up that is all you get popped with and maybe some past seizures if you had some, but your house, your computer, your bank account, is squeaky clean.

You don't have phucking guns in your possesion if you are sourcing. You are an idiot, that is an enhancement of 5 years although it usually will get negotiated out with the plea. but you still gave the prosecuter leverage to phuck you.

So about the only thing on the surface he did right was he wasn't bathing in cash!! However he had better hope he was a master in concealment as I am sure they dug far and wide knowing the volume and the time he was sourcing.

It is anonymous sourcing and if you are a source that doesn't understand this, then you better get out now or change your ways.

Sorry, I have seen to many guys phuck up and I am not going to hold back when there is so much at stake.

You don't have to be perfect and we all make serious errors in judgement. just don't be stupid.

Allbeef









If you don't understand this and are

 

[littlemack]

Yes. Thank You BigA for letting us discuss this.
Thank you Allbeef for your great contribution as well! We are fortunate to have your participation here.
I was just looking at another board and a similar topic came up on shipping and everyone and their mothers posted that the topic should not be discussed.
Of course, LE already knows what's going on with this stuff. In fact, they probably have accounts on all the boards and have made purchases from everyone. I came up with lots of references when I googled this topic from LE testing various products, investigating certain boards, making purchases, etc... They even get scammed by scammers. ha. Then you got the media trying to fuel the fire and motivate LE to do something about all of this. Yes, LE uses busts to move up the ladder, but they also get "motivated" by public concern and outcry and politicians that don't know any better.
This is just my observation.