Difference in protein sources and their effects

[b-boy]

Only people that don`t produce enough lactase have trouble digesting lactose.

Sadly that seems to be a highly proportional number of African-Americans

 

[Eguz22]

The reason I wanted to add eggs to my modified PSMF is that I've found them to be excellent anabolics. I eat a lot of whole eggs because I've found them to be very anabolic - and simultaneously they seem to be very healthy. The study I referred on my earlier post stated eggs are better for muscle growth than casein. Also another study noted they reduce visceral fat/fat mass while increasing muscle mass more than whey or casein (albeit it was egg white protein only).

From my personal experience, even though I ate quite low carb (200-250g/d) after I ended my 2 week water fast little over month ago I gained 40lbs lean mass while reducing fat mass a little bit (went from 163lbs to 209lbs - now I am back to 202lbs after starting this PSMF with very low carbs) in 4 weeks. I ate about 10 whole eggs a day. Other main foods where red meat, dairy products, fish/tuna and whey.

Also, considering lipids, my cholesterols kind of improved with high egg diet; LDL went down to 92mg/dl (2,4mmol/l), HDL went little down to 46mg/dl (1,21mmol/l) and Triglyserides down to 30mg/dl (0,34mmol/l). But I only used 10mg dbol + 10mg Anavar a day, mk-677 5on/2off and test levels were about 1800ng/dl-2400ng/dl and no AI:s. So one Sustanon every 5-7 days + Testogel on top of that.

So I think even though they give fat they somehow are so anabolic that they might even reduce fat mass on eucaloric diet and especially when calories will be very low anyway.

This study is also interesting with regards to eggs. They found eggs to be better than dairy products (or casein and whey).

Egg White Protein Feeding Facilitates Skeletal Muscle Gain in Young Rats with/without Clenbuterol Treatment

Based on the Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score (DIAAS), egg white protein (EGG) has an excellent score, comparable to that of whey protein but with a lower amount of leucine. We examined the effect of EGG feeding on rat skeletal muscle gain in ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Studies I've read only compare egg white protein to casein or whey but do you know or what is your opinion which is better whole eggs or whole milk? Maybe best to combine them. But in the whole egg there is supposedly ~500mg of Leucine and has a total of ~6-7g of protein so the Leucine content should then be 7-8g/100g of whole egg protein when it is 10g/100g in whey. But egg has more arginine and they have some other growth promoting ingredients according to those studies. But still it seems dairy products will rise insulin and IGF-1 more but if I understood those studies correctly eggs still outperformed whey and casein by reducing more fat mass and increasing more lean tissue? So they do it through some other mechanism than insulin/IGF-1 I guess.

I get most of your protein from whole eggs, combined with chicken, and milk (or whey and casein).

 

[Doitagain]

Hey, maybe on of the sources will start carrying it.

This one got actual laughter
I guess I won't ever read “raws“ the same way

 

[Cerberus777]

I'm afraid that, in spite of being almost 2024, most people don't even know that protein does cause the release of insulin even in the total absence of glucose. Some protein sources in a more pronounced amount, like fish indeed. Not to say people reporting less fullness with fish are imagining it, at all. I just find it interesting.
Take a look at this link. You may find it quite shocking.

https://www.pinterest.it/pin/712061391073400906/

Fish, than beef raise min the highest. Taking berberine even if on keto lowers it since it slows gluconeogenesis.

 

[Doitagain]

Fish, than beef raise min the highest. Taking berberine even if on keto lowers it since it slows gluconeogenesis.

I don't consider protein's effect on insulin release a negative thing.

 

[Cerberus777]

I don't consider protein's effect on insulin release a negative thing.

Half of it is its conversion to glucose. Slowing that down allows it to be used for repair, and the body to use other energy sources.You still want some response to shuttle it into muscle tissue, so you don't want to stop it.

 

[TheRoid]

Half of it is its conversion to glucose.

May I ask you where did you get that info?

 

[Cerberus777]

May I ask you where did you get that info?

I'll find the other studies I've read on it. But here is one of them.

https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.14814/phy2.15577

 

[Bloodtrail]

I know personally after a whey isolate meal my piss is very bubbly/frothy compared to a meal with chicken or steak

Does anyone know why this is the case? Is whey harder on the kidneys?

 

[Virtuous]

I know personally after a whey isolate meal my piss is very bubbly/frothy compared to a meal with chicken or steak

Does anyone know why this is the case? Is whey harder on the kidneys?

It is not harder on kidneys.

 

[qbkilla]

I know personally after a whey isolate meal my piss is very bubbly/frothy compared to a meal with chicken or steak

Does anyone know why this is the case? Is whey harder on the kidneys?

I had a doctor tell me once to ditch all whey and come back and retest my creatinine, it went down. She said this has been consistent with what has happened to others she saw mainly cross fitters. No idea if it has any validity, she didn't seem to think it was bad but did elevate creatinine levels.

 

[Virtuous]

I had a doctor tell me once to ditch all whey and come back and retest my creatinine, it went down. She said this has been consistent with what has happened to others she saw mainly cross fitters. No idea if it has any validity, she didn't seem to think it was bad but did elevate creatinine levels.

I’d be super surprised if almost everyone on this forum didn’t have elevated creatinine.

Most physicians use creatinine as a proxy for increased GFR and therefore stressed kidneys due to the downstream relationship of creatinine as a waste product, but…

…elevated creatinine can also be the result of significant muscle tissue, high protein intake, or creatine supplementation. We usually check all three boxes on this forum lol.

 

[qbkilla]

I’d be super surprised if almost everyone on this forum didn’t have elevated creatinine.

Most physicians use creatinine as a proxy for increased GFR and therefore stressed kidneys due to the downstream relationship of creatinine as a waste product, but…

…elevated creatinine can also be the result of significant muscle tissue, high protein intake, or creatine supplementation. We usually check all three boxes on this forum lol.

Spot on. I cringe when I even see people post their egfr it's nothing more than creatinine plugged into a formula...not true gfr. When I was 220 my creatinine was always 1.4-1.6. now that I'm under 180 it's never above 1.1.

 

[CorgisOnTren]

…elevated creatinine can also be the result of significant muscle tissue, high protein intake, or creatine supplementation. We usually check all three boxes on this forum lol.

Yeah I think people forget eGFR stands for estimated GFR… estimated off our creatinine. I’ve never had issues with my doctor getting me a cystatin C once I explained to him why it was more useful in my context.

 

[rollerghost]

I’d be super surprised if almost everyone on this forum didn’t have elevated creatinine.

Most physicians use creatinine as a proxy for increased GFR and therefore stressed kidneys due to the downstream relationship of creatinine as a waste product, but…

…elevated creatinine can also be the result of significant muscle tissue, high protein intake, or creatine supplementation. We usually check all three boxes on this forum lol.

I was suprised that my bloodwork went actually better during my 4-5 week bulk. I felt very heavy and out of breath because heart didn't have enough time to adjust to new weight (40lbs in 4 weeks; lean tissue, not fat or excess water) and was out of breath and still am in the gym. Need to do jogging/running more.

But anyway, LDL cholesterol went down to 92mg/dl, HDL also down a little bit to 47mg/dl, triglyserides went down significantly to 30mg/dl and to my suprise creatinine went down to 0,98mg/dl (or 87umol/l; I prefer these IU measures as I understand them better). I was excpecting kidneys were having stressful time but seems they adapt very efficiently.

And all those despite training all my gym sessions to failure 2-3 times a week, I train also high volume with high intensity, breaking muscle tissue with eccentric phases a lot, using dianabol, anavar and sustanon+testogel and MK-677 5on/2off. And I ate a lot of protein (200-300g) and creatine (5-10) daily. So I wonder why creatinine was so low? I don't have answer..

Also I don't quite understand why HDL was so high and LDL was so good or actually LDL got lower despite anavar, dbol and testogel (and sustanon). I also ate a lot of saturated fats and eggs. My only guess is that maybe my high dose niacin use has something to do with it and also high use of extra virgin olive oil.

 

[aHarness]

40lbs in 4 weeks; lean tissue, not fat or excess water

What?…

 

[Orville Shreddenbacher]

What?…

I second this ....

 

[rollerghost]

What?…

Yes. I was suprised myself a little bit too but kind of expected it. I have experimentent with fasts and bulks also earlier.

Now there are few reasons besides steroids that needs to be considered that affected I think a lot why I gained so much in such short period.

One big factor is that I have muscle memory from times when I was heavier. Other factor is that I did 2 weeks water fast with clen before that bulk. So I was starving basically when I started to eat and using dbol and anavar (10mg both per day). And I guess myostanin goes very low for few weeks after fast and many other tissues besides muscles need protein and nutrients so that is why it is possible to gain so quickly. Body also remembers what it has been previously.

I stopped dbol, mk and anavar over week ago and allready started PSMF with very low carbs but weight has not dropped but 6-8lbs this week and is still hovering at 202lbs. If I would eat carbs a lot I would quickly gain more water and fullness so that is why I say it was not so much water weight I gained. Well, of course it is also water what I've gained as body is 70% of water but I think you now what I mean when I say not "excess water retention".

I went from ~165lbs to 210lbs in about 4 weeks and now about week after stopping dbol, anavar and mk, and doing this PSMF weight is still around 202lbs without full glycogen stores so that is why I say it was mostly lean tissue what I gained. But remember, I was basically starving when I started to eat.

 

[aHarness]

Other factor is that I did 2 weeks water fast with clen before that bulk.

So you fasted… then went on dbol, MK, and who knows what else and shot up 40lbs in 4 weeks and you don’t think that’s pretty much all water, glycogen, nitrogen/mineral retention? I hate to be the bearer of bad news… but it is bro.

 

[warlock]

Whey is real, however by consuming whole raw milk is much better for muscle gain. You can add extra why to your raw milk, I would never use why mixed with water, only mixed to raw milk.

How much raw milk do you drink daily?