Lean Bloat-Free Muscle On A First Cycle

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, I wanted to get your input before starting my First Cycle. I know Test only is the standard recommendation, but my goals are a little different than most. I'm NOT interested in gaining 20+lbs. My goal is to add a dry 8-10lbs to my physique while keeping my doses in check with this being my first time out. I'm 33 years old, 6'3" 235-240lbs and 8% bodyfat. I've been training off and on for the past 14 years, the past 2 1/2 years religiously.

 

[Dad]

Tex,

Since this is yuor first time here, I'll tell yuo can't ask for cycle recommendations. If yuo want to do some research, and propose cycle or drug ideas, that's fine, and yuo'll gt commentary.

Having said that, I think yuo can achieve what yuo want with diet and training alone.

 

[oldfella]

Tex,

Since this is yuor first time here, I'll tell yuo can't ask for cycle recommendations. If yuo want to do some research, and propose cycle or drug ideas, that's fine, and yuo'll gt commentary.

Having said that, I think yuo can achieve what yuo want with diet and training alone.

I'll second this. 8-10lbs is not that hard. You just need to go about it the right way. Nutrition holds all the answers and a good training program will back this up!!

 

[Texas Ranger]

Tex,

Since this is yuor first time here, I'll tell yuo can't ask for cycle recommendations. If yuo want to do some research, and propose cycle or drug ideas, that's fine, and yuo'll gt commentary.

Having said that, I think yuo can achieve what yuo want with diet and training alone.

Dad, I've read your posts and have REALLY learned alot. I went to all the other boards and thought you had go with 500-600mgs of Test/wk with 30mgs of Dbol per day to see good gains on a 1st Cycle. I've been researching this for the past 3 years. I dieted down from 300lbs and 20+% bodyfat to 215lbs to low single digit bodyfat. Then, slowly built up from there to stay lean(235-240lbs). Here's what I came up with. Let me know what you think.

Test Enanthate@375mgs for 10 weeks
Anavar@50mgs ED for weeks 1-6
[email protected] EOD throughout

It's similar to what NPCLight is doing. I already eat 6-8 times a day(350-400 grams of protein a day). Hit the weights 4 times a week along with cardio on an Inclined Treadmill(10% at 3.5-4.0mph) 4 times a week at 30 min clips.

 

[Dad]

Tex,

Thanks for the kind words.

Yuor cycle idea looks pretty reasonable, I'd suggest a couple of things:
Why not try 8 weeks at most this first time out? It'll give yuo a chance to see if there are any side effect issues, and deal with them quickly if so. Yuo'll still be "on" for a good 5 weeks or so after yuor last shot, so this will actaully be longer than yuo think.

Also, stay on the anti-estrogens for a good 6 weeks after yuor last shot to keep excess estrogen at bay, and give yuor body a chance to normalize.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Tex,

Thanks for the kind words.

Yuor cycle idea looks pretty reasonable, I'd suggest a couple of things:
Why not try 8 weeks at most this first time out? It'll give yuo a chance to see if there are any side effect issues, and deal with them quickly if so. Yuo'll still be "on" for a good 5 weeks or so after yuor last shot, so this will actaully be longer than yuo think.

Also, stay on the anti-estrogens for a good 6 weeks after yuor last shot to keep excess estrogen at bay, and give yuor body a chance to normalize.

Dad, after careful consideration, I've decided to drop the Anavar and just do Test Enanthate@375mgs for 8 weeks along with the [email protected] EOD throughout. Alot of guys said I won't really feel or see the Anavar working anyway. I have a quick question for you. Is it ok to inject 1 1/2 cc's(375mgs) once a week? Or should it be spread out over several days?

 

[Dad]

Yuo can go either way. The only advantage to injecting more frequently is that the blood levels of drug drop a bit less between injections because the time between them is shorter. In reality, this has NO effect on what happens with it's usage since this AAS has an 8+ day half life.

 

[kscowboy]

My next cycle is going to be almost the same as you.

Test E wk 1-12 500 mg wk (Injecting 250 mg twice a week)
Var wk 1-8 50mg ed
Adex .25mcg ed wk 1-12
PCT wk 14-17 nolva 40, 40, 20, 20

 

[Dad]

Ks,

Just a suggestion here:
Keep the anti-estrogens going a good 6 weeks after yuor last shot of test. It takes a good 6 weeks (5+ half-lives) for the test to get down to a level where it's not making a diference, and in the meantime it's aromatizing to an estrogen without any natural test production to counter-balance it.

I think you'll find yuo have a lot less water weight, normalize HPT axis function better, and retain gains better.

 

[terryd5150]

One more thing Tex...

Since you are new here I feel obligated to tell you that you should not freak-out: Dad has ALWAYS mis-spelled the word "you" in all his posts.


Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Dad]

VERY observant, Terry, LOL!

 

[NPCLight]

I actually DID see the Var helping just finished my pinning and am stating PCT next week...

I started at 195 10% BF

This morning I was 219 I ran the follwing:

Weeks
1-8
250 Test Cyp On sat
1-6
Var at 50mg ED

Pct I have Letro and Clomid I am considering not even using the Letro, have some conflicting views. Most people are suggesting that since my doses wee so low and the time frame was also that Clomid will be enough. I know letro Is VERY strong.

My diet was around 4500 Cal ( clean cept for Sundays )
Pro 300 grams
Carbs 400-500
Fat 80 ( 120 on Sundays)

Split was 5 days with Cardio STILL included at 30 minutes post weight training. I do believe that I will end up around 206-209 range after PCT and I normalize. It would be a 11-14 lb gain if all goes well. ALL Personal Best lifts I did achieve too

I think the next one will look like this

1-10
Test E at 375 Mg
1-4 Anadrol at 50 ed
Armidex through the WHOLE time since I hearing horror stories about the bloat with Abombs.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I actually DID see the Var helping just finished my pinning and am stating PCT next week...

I started at 195 10% BF

This morning I was 219 I ran the follwing:

Weeks
1-8
250 Test Cyp On sat
1-6
Var at 50mg ED

Pct I have Letro and Clomid I am considering not even using the Letro, have some conflicting views. Most people are suggesting that since my doses wee so low and the time frame was also that Clomid will be enough. I know letro Is VERY strong.

My diet was around 4500 Cal ( clean cept for Sundays )
Pro 300 grams
Carbs 400-500
Fat 80 ( 120 on Sundays)

Split was 5 days with Cardio STILL included at 30 minutes post weight training. I do believe that I will end up around 206-209 range after PCT and I normalize. It would be a 11-14 lb gain if all goes well. ALL Personal Best lifts I did achieve too

I think the next one will look like this

1-10
Test E at 375 Mg
1-4 Anadrol at 50 ed
Armidex through the WHOLE time since I hearing horror stories about the bloat with Abombs.

Congrats on the cycle! 11-14lbs is pretty darn good in my book for 8-10 weeks using what many would consider to be a low dose. Watch out for those Abombs! I've also heard horror stories about them. Either you love them or you hate them. No in between with those things.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I actually DID see the Var helping just finished my pinning and am stating PCT next week...

I started at 195 10% BF

This morning I was 219 I ran the follwing:

Weeks
1-8
250 Test Cyp On sat
1-6
Var at 50mg ED

Pct I have Letro and Clomid I am considering not even using the Letro, have some conflicting views. Most people are suggesting that since my doses wee so low and the time frame was also that Clomid will be enough. I know letro Is VERY strong.

My diet was around 4500 Cal ( clean cept for Sundays )
Pro 300 grams
Carbs 400-500
Fat 80 ( 120 on Sundays)

Split was 5 days with Cardio STILL included at 30 minutes post weight training. I do believe that I will end up around 206-209 range after PCT and I normalize. It would be a 11-14 lb gain if all goes well. ALL Personal Best lifts I did achieve too

I think the next one will look like this

1-10
Test E at 375 Mg
1-4 Anadrol at 50 ed
Armidex through the WHOLE time since I hearing horror stories about the bloat with Abombs.

One more question for you. Were you taking Anavar in small doses throughout the day? Or in one dose? I have access to Anavar, but it's a 50mg capsules. From your personal experience, what did bring to your cycle?

 

[NPCLight]

I did 30 before Lifting in AM, then 20 mg about 12 hours later to keep blood levels the same.