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Because I care, I share:

Got this today in my PM's. It is worth reiterating for the benefit of the young members who are attempting to find their way safely in this game.

Allbeef,

I want to order through alin but this is my first time and I dont want to get caught, I am terrified of getting caught. I have got gear before through htr medxlife it was legal and i didnt have any worries, but it is expensive and i cant afford to use them.

I was wondering if i could get you advice to help me. I have a friend in a small town that works in the post office, he has been wanting gear. Would it be safe if he ordered it to his address and got it in the post office before it got to his house?

How would you handle this situation.



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I don't think he should be trying to head off packs at the Post Office because he could really hurt himself if he was connected in any way. Better to be arrested away from your job, particularly if your job is at the US Post Office.

If your zipcode starts with a number less than six yor international pack goes through the East Coast port of entry and it is pretty safe in my opinion. Personally I wouldn't order internationally if I had a zipcode starting 6 or above as it goes through San francisco and SF customs is a pain in the ass. I believe I have this correct although many good sources tell me they routinely get gear through SF just like East Coast but that has not been my experience. Ask Alin or whoever what the actual seizure rate is for your zipcode and they are obligated to be honest.

If you are going to order gear domestic or otherwise, get a rental mailbox big enough to hold the Priority Video box and with 24 hour access. A medium or large box. I like ma and pop stores and I don't like the Post Offices or UPS stores.

When you set up the mailbox rental, just tell them that you have a Christian Ministry like " Shining Light Ministries " ( it does help if you know the Lord! ) and a small internet business you just started selling hair products ie: " Hairsplendor ". They may not even make you put the names down, particularly since you are just starting the business and you don't know if it will amount to anything. Even if you have to list it on the postal form, you are better off then going with your personal name.

Then just have the gear sent to either the Ministry or Hairsplendor name but not your personal name. The truth is most shops put anything addressed to your box in your box regardless of name.

The beauty of a Rental mailbox is that it insulates you from LE. That pack can sit there forever if you think there is a problem. Think about how they can get you? They could call you and in my neck of the woods that means a setup so you would be out of town indefinately. They could stake the box out for a few days. For personal gear who can afford that.! They can attempt delivery to you at home, but no one does that much and you would know to refuse to take possesion. A rental box is a very good thing.

This is all my opinion and there are others who fell differently about much of this and their insight is also relevant.

I hope that helped.

Allbeef

Please everyone share your perspective on this very important topic.

PS: It is okay to be afraid of what might happen although to much fear creates it's own problems. Look if we are talking personal gear, I believe everyone gets one free pass to avoid jail if they don't have an extensive criminal record. It is after your first arrest that the stakes seem to climb much higher.
 
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Perfect advise bro, couldn't be handled any better..........
 
I agree bro great advice.


Mav
 
Agreed with everything you said.

I would add if its for personal use and the mail box does require you give your name/ID at time of rental use your real name. Using a fake name is another felony.
 
Excellent advice as always from AB.
 
Excellent information except the PO Box info. You will not be able to open a box without proper documentation. Since 9/11 all boxes require 2 forms of id. You will not be able to open one with fake identification, and you certainly don't want to since that is a felony.

Now opening one with a business name requires the filing of a fictitious business name with the county and then running that name in the local paper to establish identity of the company. Again you will have to use a real name and id to establish the company, so it will trace to you.

A mailbox will require any name shipped to the box to be registered on the account or the package may not be delivered. They will require paperwork and id for any name listed on the account.

Mailboxes are not the safest way to receive mail anymore because no matter how you try to open a box all information will lead back to you as the registed owner.
 
AP

I think you misunderstood my main points.

I was not talking about opening with fake identification although with two peices of identification it is still possible. I like ma and pop shops because the protocols you implying are operating out there such as every name has to be registered on the postal form, or the refusal to put mail in the box if the names not on the form aren't always in play in informal settings. Chemistry is so important when choosing the right shop.

Of course the pack can be traced to you. I deal with people every day who bring in lots of product and all of it is into a box with a name of a business that isn't formally registered or licensed. Yes it is most likely listed on the postal form and yes that form is in their real name. Now these are not your casual users and if you have a way that is safer for a source to operate under lets hear it? Theres nothing new out there? These guys suffer seizures and have to close boxes and jump through all the hoops we jumped through when we ran boxes in fake ID. A mailbox continues to insulate a source or a customer from LE for the reasons I clearly spelled out.

Please tell us what you are advocating as a viable alternative and why?

Allbeef

I acknowledge this is a sources perspective ( although I do not personally source anymore ) but much of it is still revelant for personal users I believe. The issue of whether or not to run boxes in fake ID is really determined by whether you can even get a set of Fake ID and whether you bring in enough gear to make it worth your while.

It's just one perspective.....................................
 
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Dumb question this....
Do European packages going to the states still go through San Fran if the zip starts with a number higher than 6? For instance if your closer to the East coast than West coast it seems weird for it to take a longer route. Also, do companies like UPS and DHL who ship international use the San Fran customs house? I am in Texas with a zip above 6, and I know when I've ordered race car stuff from the UK that it always goes through Houston customs. Air and Sea.
Thanks.
 
Thats Not a Dumb Question.

My problem is that all my international experience has been with IP and so it either came from asia, the middle east, or some of it from the UK. There are clearly different ports of entry for different countries and my statement about zipcodes should pertain only to international deliveries from China.

Allbeef
 
always keep it simple...

-use your real full name
-order only to your home
-always sign

its like this: youre not responsible for something somebody sends you...the fact that youre getting a parcel by mail in NO way proves you knew about the parcel or made any sort of order!

never use an alias in any way!!! it is extremely incriminating!..."children of the lord" does not fool customs officers...anything other than a real name is a red flag!!! they crosscheck parcel addresses with official info and if it does not check its a red flag...you cant talk your way out of why you went to a pobox to pick up something uder a fake name/alias/company...

on the other hand if you use your real name and your home address you dont have to explain shit...you live there the postman came and had a parcel in your name...you obviously did not send it yourself and if you gave a signature it only proves youre a nice guy nothing else...a signature in NO way proves you knew anything about any parcel or made any order...

you have 0 explaining to do as to why you picked up the parcel in your name because its normal to get mail to your house...

people should focus on keeping a clean house at the time of delivery and not leaving a paper trail the rest is as simple as keeping your mouth well shut in case of anything...

the zip code issue if your 6*****-9***** and SF are something that has no effect on me and most sources i know...alex
 
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Malic777.com said:
people should focus on keeping a clean house at the time of delivery and not leaving a paper trail the rest is as simple as keeping your mouth well shut in case of anything...

These two points are most important. I work for a large national criminal defense firm and we take on steroid cases all the time. Having a clean house is huge (and difficult). I would say if you keep your mouth shut 70%+ of all criminal cases would not move forward. If your house has dope in it and you give a full statement to the cops/feds your done. Your attorney can't help you. But, if like Malic says, you just sign for something that someone sent you and you don't confess to a crime, then no crime has been commited.
 
Malic777.com said:
always keep it simple...

-use your real full name
-order only to your home
-always sign

its like this: youre not responsible for something somebody sends you...the fact that youre getting a parcel by mail in NO way proves you knew about the parcel or made any sort of order!

never use an alias in any way!!! it is extremely incriminating!..."children of the lord" does not fool customs officers...anything other than a real name is a red flag!!! they crosscheck parcel addresses with official info and if it does not check its a red flag...you cant talk your way out of why you went to a pobox to pick up something uder a fake name/alias/company...

on the other hand if you use your real name and your home address you dont have to explain shit...you live there the postman came and had a parcel in your name...you obviously did not send it yourself and if you gave a signature it only proves youre a nice guy nothing else...a signature in NO way proves you knew anything about any parcel or made any order...

you have 0 explaining to do as to why you picked up the parcel in your name because its normal to get mail to your house...

people should focus on keeping a clean house at the time of delivery and not leaving a paper trail the rest is as simple as keeping your mouth well shut in case of anything...

the zip code issue if your 6*****-9***** and SF are something that has no effect on me and most sources i know...alex


YES!! GREAT INFO!
 
I can't believe how different my perspective is

First of all I don't generally advise personal users but if I did I would give the same advice as I would give a source.

1. Never send gear to your home.
2. Use any reasonable ministry or company name, or alias on the postal form and don't worry about whether they are ever going to spank you for sending product to " The Allbeef Advice Center " If you get popped, you got bigger issues to worry about then an alias.

People I know have seizure after seizure over time and no one I have ever been closely associated with has ever sent product to a mailbox in their own name. Why don't you just put a photocopy of your Drivers License right on the pack. Why don't you just give them the key to the front door. I mean you give them your name, your home address, and they didn't have to even go to the mailbox shop to find that out. No your seized pack got registered in your name and your customs letter was sent right to your home. Thats brillant!! Thats what I want!! What are you going to do send it to grammas house next now that your house was flagged with the first seizure??

Customs doesn't follow up on most gear seizures unless you have a few seizures under the same name. That sounds like your plan!!!

No if you order international you use a rental mailbox and you use an alias so they would have to go to the mailbox shop to see the ID that opened the box. That doesn't happen much with gear. Local cops don't have the resources to stake out the mailbox for personal gear. If you are conservative, you close the box with the first seizure and you open another one and you use another alias. They never know who you are, becuase you never told them.

If you get popped the fact that you used an alias is not going to have much of an impact. A source that uses fake ID who gets popped may find that despite the hype of " mail fraud " and enhanced charges continualy thrown out on the board, it's the gear that gets you.

The goal is to not get personally connected to gear which seems to be the opposite approach of much of the advice on this thread.

Allbeef
 
Yikes!!!!!! malic777 method scares the shit out of me, i would not do it his way..ive seen some packs in my time and would carry it out exicution style from ordering to recieving..

1. never sign!
2. never send gear home!

sorry malic just my opinion
 
Malic

We can agree to disagree. But I am dying to know. If you source and handle your own gear:

Are you in the US?
Do you recieve internationally in the US??
If you do, do you recieve in your own name?

Now we encourage domestic recievers from domestic remailers to not use a fake name because we know as you do there is high incidence of undelivered packs. But what we are talking about is a company name thats on the psotal form, not a fake name.

Allbeef
 

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