Matt Jansen Opens Up...Dallas, Drugs, Prep, etc.

Bleed · Mar 6, 2020

LS,

Have you tried 20? Notice a discenable difference between 20 and 30?

I was about to do 10, maybe 15.

little slice · Mar 6, 2020

Bleed said:
LS,

Have you tried 20? Notice a discenable difference between 20 and 30?

I was about to do 10, maybe 15.

I'm using 15iu now

Don't remember what 30iu was like... Memory was shit back then

TheOtherOne55 · Mar 6, 2020

I love threads like this. Just sayin haha.

I would LOVE to see what even 10iu a day would look like. Most i've run was 8iu EOD and even then I was full as a house.

Biggerp73 · Mar 6, 2020

johnjuanb1 said:
Lil’Siice, do you notice fatigue from the 30ius of HGH per day? I think you said that’s your dose but I’m not positive. Queefer was doing 3 vials of riptripin per day for 4 months or so for his last contest, which is 40ius. That burnt body fat fast. I’ve never gone above 6ius long term. It sounds like fun!

From what I've found, if your goal is fat loss, you don't need to inject a whole vial all at once to get maximum effects. A few IU every few hours is enough. For muscle gain, essentially the more the better in my experience (I've gone up to 3 vials of riptropin black tops per day), but as I've said before, it led to congestive heart failure and I don't think it was needed, as I was making great progress on 10iu per day already.

joos23 · Mar 6, 2020

How can anyone afford 10iu, 15iu, 20iu etc a day lol

luki7788 · Mar 6, 2020

joos23 said:
How can anyone afford 10iu, 15iu, 20iu etc a day lol

gear in Europe is much cheaper than in the USA

joos23 · Mar 6, 2020

luki7788 said:
gear in Europe is much cheaper than in the USA

Let's do easy math and I'm just throwing numbers out there. I've never even ran gh, anyways 100iu generic blue tops $100. 20iu a day 5x a week. 100iu a week. 400iu a month, so $400 a month
Nice car payment lol

Biggerp73 · Mar 6, 2020

There are sponsors on this board who sell GH at bulk prices which make it very, very affordable... Just look around... But don't be stupid... Too much GH leads to problems... I know, I was hospitalized with congestive heart failure...

maldorf · Mar 6, 2020

Biggerp73 said:
There are sponsors on this board who sell GH at bulk prices which make it very, very affordable... Just look around... But don't be stupid... Too much GH leads to problems... I know, I was hospitalized with congestive heart failure...

I cant remember, are you back to using HGH again or did you decide it wasn't worth the risk for you? I was on it for about 1 year straight before I had my heart attack.

specter · Mar 6, 2020

TheOtherOne55 said:
I love threads like this. Just sayin haha.

I would LOVE to see what even 10iu a day would look like. Most i've run was 8iu EOD and even then I was full as a house.

i saw a guy on a UK bb board that shot 10iu ed after about a week his hand looked like the hand of a 500lbs fat man it was so bloatet looked like it was gonna xplode.

Bleed · Mar 7, 2020

I know you were blasting some serious growth for a minute and the subsequent problems youve had.

What doses do you think are safe? Point of diminishing returns? How do you feel about 10iu? 15?

Ive been watching a while and saw somewhere you said what you were doing. I applaud your honesty but at the same time think holy-jesus-lady-boy-christ you were not playing.

Ive done 10iu if rips for a month and it was...definitely noticeable to other people.

Biggerp73 said:
There are sponsors on this board who sell GH at bulk prices which make it very, very affordable... Just look around... But don't be stupid... Too much GH leads to problems... I know, I was hospitalized with congestive heart failure...

Biggerp73 · Mar 7, 2020

maldorf said:
I cant remember, are you back to using HGH again or did you decide it wasn't worth the risk for you? I was on it for about 1 year straight before I had my heart attack.

I'm not using GH anymore... Just sticking with low dosed test only.

Bleed · Mar 7, 2020

What dose?

maldorf said:
I cant remember, are you back to using HGH again or did you decide it wasn't worth the risk for you? I was on it for about 1 year straight before I had my heart attack.

Biggerp73 · Mar 7, 2020

Bleed said:
I know you were blasting some serious growth for a minute and the subsequent problems youve had.

What doses do you think are safe? Point of diminishing returns? How do you feel about 10iu? 15?

Ive been watching a while and saw somewhere you said what you were doing. I applaud your honesty but at the same time think holy-jesus-lady-boy-christ you were not playing.

Ive done 10iu if rips for a month and it was...definitely noticeable to other people.

I can't say what's safe, man. Part of the reason I was willing to go so high was I read studies in academic journals where at times the mg/kg dosage of GH for short children and aids patients was extremely high, much higher than what bodybuilders use, so I thought it would be OK. I also thought if the GH was causing organ growth I'd be able to see it growing everything (including my Johnson) and would know it was happening. Obviously, that wasn't correct. I know better now. But to answer your question... What's a safe dosage? Probably depends on the person. Any history of heart problems in your family? Any personal history of stimulant abuse? How's your diet? Are you taking preventative heart supplements? If all the boxes are checked in your favor, you might be able to get away with higher doses long term and not have too much problems.

little slice · Mar 7, 2020

Biggerp73 said:
I can't say what's safe, man. Part of the reason I was willing to go so high was I read studies in academic journals where at times the mg/kg dosage of GH for short children and aids patients was extremely high, much higher than what bodybuilders use, so I thought it would be OK. I also thought if the GH was causing organ growth I'd be able to see it growing everything (including my Johnson) and would know it was happening. Obviously, that wasn't correct. I know better now. But to answer your question... What's a safe dosage? Probably depends on the person. Any history of heart problems in your family? Any personal history of stimulant abuse? How's your diet? Are you taking preventative heart supplements? If all the boxes are checked in your favor, you might be able to get away with higher doses long term and not have too much problems.

I imagine the children and AIDS patients weren't on a good amount of gear, and likely had Bp in range

johnnythunders · Mar 7, 2020

So much great info in this thread

maldorf · Mar 7, 2020

Biggerp73 said:
I'm not using GH anymore... Just sticking with low dosed test only.

Good! I'm happy to hear that.

maldorf · Mar 7, 2020

Bleed said:
What dose?

Honestly I dont remember for sure because it's been 12 years! I think anywhere from 4 IU up to 6. I changed it up.

silverback1984 · Mar 7, 2020

johnjuanb1 said:
I believe you. When I joined here I posted my true doses and many people hated me for it. Elvia, Queefer, and I would have guys pm us with their true doses then post utter bullshit here for fear of getting the abuse I received by being honest.
Many people do crazy things in an attempt to look like a pro. Philosophies often change as we get older and our bodies begin to fail us. Mine sure has.
I believe it’s obvious that if you use high doses your body will adapt and you will either have to keep pushing the dose up, or take time off gear to let your receptors heal.
Some very high level guys actually take time looff gear for two months after they compete, completely off. This advice was given to Pinkton by Sergio Olivia Jr.. He told Pinkton you have to do this. It’s a must, no AAS for two months. If you employ this logic you can keep gear at a reasonable dose and keep growing safely.

Aren't you goin to loose a lot of muscle in those 2month , in general terms I would have think each x amount of aas dosage can only build so much muscle thus the need for increasing dosages . Interesting advice although the last 2 times I came completely off I felt like I was having a breakdown after about 4 weeks cudnt cope with life itself due to my own test levels being crushed and feared I'd lose my job. It wud need 6months to come back to any decent standard so went back on trt dose .
Theres a doctor on youtube dr.rand McClain in one of the videos he mentions he has a client who's an international athlete with a hemoglobin of 27 I think it was. It may be worth contacting him.

joos23 · Mar 7, 2020

silverback1984 said:
Aren't you goin to loose a lot of muscle in those 2month , in general terms I would have think each x amount of aas dosage can only build so much muscle thus the need for increasing dosages . Interesting advice although the last 2 times I came completely off I felt like I was having a breakdown after about 4 weeks cudnt cope with life itself due to my own test levels being crushed and feared I'd lose my job. It wud need 6months to come back to any decent standard so went back on trt dose .
Theres a doctor on youtube dr.rand McClain in one of the videos he mentions he has a client who's an international athlete with a hemoglobin of 27 I think it was. It may be worth contacting him.

I assume these guys are still on trt