Mild/Heavy Cycle vs Low Dose plus GH

jrs · Oct 9, 2009

It has been stated in several studies that testosterone increases systemic IGF-1 levels in a dose-dependent manner. Trenbolone is suspected of the same. Perhaps any androgen/anabolic has this affect?

Keep in mind this is a hypothetical question where AAS use is NOT illegal in one's country.

I'm curious how much test/other AAS might compare to low-dose GH protocols.

If one were on a mild to heavy cycle, would the increase in IGF from that alone be comparable to supplementing extra in the form of GH/peptides?

I'd imagine the only concrete info we could find of our own would be anybody who has had bloodwork done while "on" (or HRT). Stating what the dosage was of what drug, and what specific results were obtained if IGF was measured would help. Of course people have different levels to begin with so if anybody was able to track how that does/did change for them would be great.

I ask because all of this is over my head and there doesn't seem to be many studies about this topic so hopefully we can learn something.

MightyJohn · Oct 9, 2009

The late Paul Borresson wrote some stuff about this & there was thread here a few months back both using short ester test susp or prop & dosed every other or 3rd day in a manner to spike test levels in the hopes of getting an IGF1 spike

emeric delczeg · Oct 9, 2009

jrs said:
It has been stated in several studies that testosterone increases systemic IGF-1 levels in a dose-dependent manner. Trenbolone is suspected of the same. Perhaps any androgen/anabolic has this affect?

Keep in mind this is a hypothetical question where AAS use is NOT illegal in one's country.

I'm curious how much test/other AAS might compare to low-dose GH protocols.

If one were on a mild to heavy cycle, would the increase in IGF from that alone be comparable to supplementing extra in the form of GH/peptides?

I'd imagine the only concrete info we could find of our own would be anybody who has had bloodwork done while "on" (or HRT). Stating what the dosage was of what drug, and what specific results were obtained if IGF was measured would help. Of course people have different levels to begin with so if anybody was able to track how that does/did change for them would be great.

I ask because all of this is over my head and there doesn't seem to be many studies about this topic so hopefully we can learn something.

You need to kip your IGF-1 close as posible to normal range, IGF-1 level to hight out of range can cause health problems, also if you are taking HGH you need to check your blood sugar level.

loganb_football · Oct 9, 2009

emeric delczeg said:
You need to kip your IGF-1 close as posible to normal range, IGF-1 level to hight out of range can cause health problems, also if you are taking HGH you need to check your blood sugar level.

My old workout partner had a fasting BS of 123 when on GH and an 85 when off. I never thought the implications would make that huge of a difference, but it very well did.