My First

[6.8SPC]

So, after a long time of waiting and natural training(about 2 1/2 years), I have decided to run my first cycle. It goes like this:

Test e 250mg/wk for 8 weeks.

I have nolva, clomid and ADex on hand and plan to run them like this:

(14 days after last shot)
clomid 50 mg per day week 1
clomid 50mg per day week 2
clomid 25mg per day + .25mg Adex ed + 20mg nolva per day week 3
.25mg Adex ed + 20 mg nolva per day weeks 4-6

Stats are: 6'1", 210 (ectomorph)
25 years old training since I was 15 but two years of consistent workout and diet.

Here's a sample day: Meal 1 6 whole eggs with shredded cheese and multigrain toast, OJ.
Meal 2: 3 scoops Muscle Milk in whole milk

Meal 3: Eat out like Panchero's, Chipotle's, applebee's ok and sometimes buirger keeng

Meal 4: 2 boneless chicken breasts with lemon pepper, a yam or baked potato, and green veggies like broccoli or spinach

Meal 5: Lean steak with rice or a yam (I like yams) and a salad, 8 0z. bolthouse farms C-boost or green goodness (I like bolthouse farms too)
Meal 6: Same as meal 2

Supps: l-glutamine, kre-alkalyn, multi(mega men) , and fish oil(nordic natuurals). Rhodiloa rosea(3%) and acetyl-l-carnitine in the morning. pwo I just started using waxy maize from trueprotein (love it!) and cfm isolate also from tp (I like tp for my bunghole lol)

depending on the day I get about 4200-4500 cals. this diet has helped me really change my physique over the past year. I have put on a good 10-12 lbs eating this way.

As some of you may notice, I have read a lot of Dad's posts on low dose/shorter cycles and believe this method will work better for me and what I am trying to accomplish ( I am not trying to go pro or anything but plan on competing after another year or so). My only question is is this pct overkill? Will I need this much pct for such a short cycle? I don't expect to gain 50lbs. of muscle from this but I am looking to make it easY(er) to maintain the moderate gains from a shorter run. Opinions?

 

[oldfella]

Good job 6.8. This is a very sensible plan. A safe cautious approach and some common sense applied. 250mg/wk is ok for a first timer and as you have read well above what some here call HRT or TRT. keep a good record of your progress in the form of a diary and keep us updated on your progress. All the other first timers need to take note of your thread. I like it!

 

[6.8SPC]

I would be happy to oldfella, I'm just waiting on some other necessary items which were not listed with the ancies and I should be good to go as I have everything else I need. I should be ready inside of two weeks so I'll keep you all updated very soon.

 

[terryd5150]

Good plan....

At 250 mgs/wk the A-dex will probably not be needed.

 

[mars1960]

Good job 6.8. This is a very sensible plan. A safe cautious approach and some common sense applied. 250mg/wk is ok for a first timer and as you have read well above what some here call HRT or TRT. keep a good record of your progress in the form of a diary and keep us updated on your progress. All the other first timers need to take note of your thread. I like it!

Yea sensible plan but to answer your Q is the pct overkill i'd say yes. at 250mgs a week you won't need the clomid at 50mg for week 2 halve it. dont use the AI unless you start getting sore nips. Also see how you go with the clomid, a lot of ppl dont get on with this so swap for the more popular nolva if needed.

 

[6.8SPC]

Re: aromatase inhibitor

Yea sensible plan but to answer your Q is the pct overkill i'd say yes. at 250mgs a week you won't need the clomid at 50mg for week 2 halve it. dont use the AI unless you start getting sore nips. Also see how you go with the clomid, a lot of ppl dont get on with this so swap for the more popular nolva if needed.

I had kind of a "gut" feeling that it may be too much, I want to be safe but it's also very possible to be too cautious and do things unnecessarily. Thanks for the replies so far bros. I am out to prove that one(at least myself) can grow on smaller amounts as a beginner (to AAS) so I'm pretty excited to gain this experience. I can always increase upwards in subsequent cycles if I find that I'm no longer gaining over time. Bump for more feedback, the beginner's forum needs life breathed into it, lol.

 

[oldfella]

The one thing you do not want to do is block all the estrogen. So with the Arimi use .25mg p/day to start. See how you go with that.

 

[mars1960]

The one thing you do not want to do is block all the estrogen. So with the Arimi use .25mg p/day to start. See how you go with that.

Good point oldfella, Forgot to mention .25 strong freakin stuff that.

 

[terryd5150]

The one thing you do not want to do is block all the estrogen. So with the Arimi use .25mg p/day to start. See how you go with that.

I would not even go with that. A-dex is a very strong AI and at 250 mgs/wk you probably won't have enough aromatization to use something that strong.


You will still need some estrogen and with that small amount of test you may end up taking the estrogen down too low with A-dex.


Also, A-dex is wicked on the lipid profile so its best not to use it unless you have an absolute need to.

 

[mars1960]

I would not even go with that. A-dex is a very strong AI and at 250 mgs/wk you probably won't have enough aromatization to use something that strong.


You will still need some estrogen and with that small amount of test you may end up taking the estrogen down too low with A-dex.


Also, A-dex is wicked on the lipid profile so its best not to use it unless you have an absolute need to.

Yea agree here too, best to keep it handy for any sore nips/gyno. Were all in agrement here GL mate.

 

[6.8SPC]

I think I will

definitely leave the Adex out unless it is needed. I don't anticipate any unbearable side effects on this dose, and the little bit of extra estrogen may even help my gains. Thanks again for the input.

 

[terryd5150]

OK.

definitely leave the Adex out unless it is needed. I don't anticipate any unbearable side effects on this dose, and the little bit of extra estrogen may even help my gains. Thanks again for the input.

Good call. At the dose of test you are going to run Nolvadex should more than cover your needs.


Keep us posted on your results!

 

[6.8SPC]

Tomorrow's D-Day!

I finally have everything I need so I will start tomorrow. I'm a little nervous but I think I'll be fine once I get the injection technique down. I also expect some pretty solid gains from this cycle. I will keep the ADex out and just run clomid and nolva for pct. I'll keep you all informed.
~Peace.

 

[6.8SPC]

Done!

I did it! Pinned this morning. When I did this my glute tensed up around the pin and I freaked out for a second until I could relax the muscle, aspirated and then Bam!...put it right in there (it actuallly took about a minute to fully clear the syringe, that oil is thick,lol!). Is it normal for the muscle to tense up like that? Did I maybe hit a small nerve? i could feel the oil going in it felt a little strange, but I massaged the site and swabbed and everything went fine. It was less painful than I envisioned, not bad at all. Weight this morning was 204 fasted, been doing some surfing the past few days and I think I lost a few lbs. from the increased activity. Gonna train legs today can't wait.

 

[oldfella]

HAHAHAHA, that my friend is what we call anxiety! It is normal. Until you get over the first couple, now just relax after that. You want the muscle to be as relaxed as possible. So just take a deep breath position your self so the muscle is slack and then go. A minute to empty is good. Slow is good. it allows for dispersion in the muscle. it helps to gently massage the area for a minute or two afterward with the swab over the site. You'll be fine!

 

[6.8SPC]

HAHAHAHA, that my friend is what we call anxiety! It is normal. Until you get over the first couple, now just relax after that. You want the muscle to be as relaxed as possible. So just take a deep breath position your self so the muscle is slack and then go. A minute to empty is good. Slow is good. it allows for dispersion in the muscle. it helps to gently massage the area for a minute or two afterward with the swab over the site. You'll be fine!

I'm glad someone thinks it was funny, I laughed out loud at myself after I was done. Must've been some kind of sight me standing there looking bewildered with a dart sticking out of my glute like a scared wildebeest that's just been tranqed. LOL
I will definitely make sure I am relaxed next time. Thanks as always oldfella. ~Peace.

 

[6.8SPC]

Trained legs yesterday went pretty normal. Inj. site is a tiny bit sore, but no redness or swelling so far (I use BD swabs, vinyl gloves & its pharm. grade gear I don't expect any problems with sterility). Today my muscles seem a bit fuller than normal but nothing all that noticeable yet. To be continued...::tar-wars

 

[6.8SPC]

Took my second inj. today(delt) and it went WAY smoother than last time. Oldfella was right about being relaxed, I focused on relaxing my mind and my target muscle and this helped a ton. I could feel slightly more pain in my delt during the actual injection than I did last week in the glute, but there are probably less nerves in the glute so that would explain the initial pain. I have been feeling great, no problems or negative side effects thus far some of my lifts have already gone up, I am feeling fuller, more focused and driven on workouts so far. My weight is up again to 210, but as I said before I was doing a lot of intense surfing two weekends ago so the gain is just gaining weight back( I was down to 204. My diet has been on point so far, I had a few less cals on Saturday than I probably should (mostly shakes and protein bars) but I went to a Dave Matthews show in West Palm Beach and it kicked ASS so I'll give a little to get a little ya know? Adapt and overcome.

One side effect I noticed even in the first week was an increase in frequency of wood, like being in 9th grade again and getting a boner in class for no apparent reason my poor g/f lol.

 

[bumski]

TEST

I don't mean to threadjack ya here, so sorry initially haha but I just thought since ya'll were talking about nolvadex and clomid it would fit! Since you were only taking 250mg of test a week, if I were to double that with 500 which is what the cycle on Alin's site suggets, would the PCT of :
10) 100mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Nolvadex
11) 50mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Nolvadex

Be too much? Or would that be about right with all the extra test? Don't want to block all the estrogen like I was just reading about here.

 

[6.8SPC]

I don't mean to threadjack ya here, so sorry initially haha but I just thought since ya'll were talking about nolvadex and clomid it would fit! Since you were only taking 250mg of test a week, if I were to double that with 500 which is what the cycle on Alin's site suggets, would the PCT of :
10) 100mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Nolvadex
11) 50mg/day Clomid and 20mg/day Nolvadex

Be too much? Or would that be about right with all the extra test? Don't want to block all the estrogen like I was just reading about here.

It's ,bro it's a good question but unfortunately I am also new so I don't have the answer you are looking for. In this thread the reference to not blocking all the estrogen was about during the cycle, not pct. Maybe a vet or a mod can chime in here, I'm definitely not qualified to answer this at my current level of experience.