my next cycle!!!

HUTCH · Mar 27, 2004

Ok I admit, i am addicted to juice.....I just got done with my very 1st cycle 2 1/2 weeks ago and now i am planning my second one to start sometime in may.....I going to do my next show in November so i am going to do another bulking cycle but this time i am going to eat a bit cleaner, not clean but cleaner.....I want to get up to about 205 and lean.....here is my stats

height 5'8"
weight 190
age 24

the cycle:
weeks 1-5 Dbol 30mgs ED
weeks 1-12 Test Prop 150mgs EOD
weeks 6-12 Fina 75mgs EOD

PCT
weeks 12-14 HCG 500 i. u EOD
Nolva and Clomid

Tell me what you guys think and give some advice.....thanks

stomper1 · Mar 27, 2004

bro that's a really good combo. my three all time favorites
the only suggestion I would make is to maybe end the fina before the prop.

HUTCH · Mar 27, 2004

stomper1 said:
bro that's a really good combo. my three all time favorites
the only suggestion I would make is to maybe end the fina before the prop.

Thats a good idea...is that because the Fina could shut me down???

stomper1 · Mar 27, 2004

well that's what I was thinking bro. I have always had a really hard time recovering from fina because it really does shut you down hard and fast. but maybe run the prop 15 weeks or if that is to long or you don't have enough you could always just start the fina 3 weeks sooner. i'm sure some of the other bros will have great imput also

PHIL HERNON · Mar 27, 2004

My ADVICE

I would just use Tribestan and HMB, then go on evening primrose and milk thistle to protect the liver. Take 6 months off then repeat exactly half of the original cycle divided by pi squared. But thats just me.

Queefer · Mar 27, 2004

what he said

HUTCH · Mar 27, 2004

Re: My ADVICE

PHIL HERNON said:
I would just use Tribestan and HMB, then go on evening primrose and milk thistle to protect the liver. Take 6 months off then repeat exactly half of the original cycle divided by pi squared. But thats just me.

i dont think i am ready for a heavy cycle like that yet.....I dont wanna get too freaky.....could i inject all of those in one shot.....lol

xcelbeyond · Mar 27, 2004

How about doing the HCG at weeks 4, 8, and 12. Use 1,000iu ED for last 5 days of those weeks.

Then use clomid and nolva PCT.

I usually like to stack winny with tren - they go together like bread and butter

xcel

HUTCH · Mar 27, 2004

xcelbeyond said:
How about doing the HCG at weeks 4, 8, and 12. Use 1,000iu ED for last 5 days of those weeks.

Then use clomid and nolva PCT.

I usually like to stack winny with tren - they go together like bread and butter

xcel

damn....see i always thought that it was pointless to take hcg during a cycle since your natural test will just get shut back down anyways....i also heard that if you run hcg during a cycle you have a chance of over stimulating the testes and messin up you natural test...I dont know though, i guess it works different for eveyone.....maybe i will run it that way but not for 5 days but just on saturday and sunday....I only have a 10,000 i.u....though i could always get more....

how would you add the winny into my cycle....what weeks and dosage.....

xcelbeyond · Mar 27, 2004

Big A and MikeS both use and recommend hcg used for this frequency (and not during post cycle). The low-dose is info I've ascertained from other posts - some of that is reinforced in that post I mentioned, from Doc Swale (an HRT specialist!)

You could do it at weeks 6 and 12 if you only have 10000iu.

I like to add 50mg of injectible winny ED for same amount of time I'm on tren.

xcel

stomper1 · Mar 28, 2004

hutch

what about just running 50-100mg clomid eod throughout cycle....I have only done this once and it was the only time i didn't have problems with gyno symptoms and I did not crash at all post cycle.

i know some will say it is pointless to run clomid through a cycle but I disaggree .....personally, i have never tried hcg simply because everyone I have talked to adviced me towards clomid because if taken wrong hcg can back fire in some cases increase risk of gyno or smoe shit like that.....whatever you decide just be sure to know exactly what your doing.

xcelbeyond · Mar 28, 2004

Re: hutch

stomper1 said:
i know some will say it is pointless to run clomid through a cycle but I disaggree .....personally, i have never tried hcg simply because everyone I have talked to adviced me towards clomid because if taken wrong hcg can back fire in some cases increase risk of gyno or smoe shit like that.....whatever you decide just be sure to know exactly what your doing.

hcg will shut down your HPTA, that's "one" reason not to take it post cycle. It can also cause gyno when used post cycle - MANY have found this out the HARD WAY!!! (which is the other reason not to use it post cycle)

xcel

xcelbeyond · Mar 28, 2004

More info re: HCG

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2192

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1728

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=760

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1432

There's been plenty of good discussion on hcg

xcel

stomper1 · Mar 28, 2004

thanks for clearing that up xcel.
I have actually talked to quite a few bro who used it post cycle( probably explains why they didn't like it or got gyno from it. I have not really read much about hcg just cause i have never used it. so thanks for posting those discussion links. I'll do my home work

A50# · Mar 28, 2004

Re: My ADVICE

PHIL HERNON said:
I would just use Tribestan and HMB, then go on evening primrose and milk thistle to protect the liver. Take 6 months off then repeat exactly half of the original cycle divided by pi squared. But thats just me.

Divided by pi square huh? hmmm... Very interesting! Possibly the missing link that I've searched many years for.