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Natural test levels?

MAXM

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What is considered a good natural test level. I just had a blood test done last week and was wondering what is considered normal and what is low!
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You want it above 500. Ref range is usually 500-1000.

If SWALE is around he can give you more info!!
 

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HOLY SHIT if that is the case I am WAY LOW!
 

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Wrong!

the range for total testosterone that is considered "normal" is very broad:

250-1200 ng/dl

Now I know what your gonna say, "250... shit a grapefruit has more test than that"... but some guys still feel "normal" living at that value. Also, the low is intentionally kept low to make it more difficult to get HRT (don't want people handing out scripts for test now do we??:rolleyes: ).

My last test, I was about 570 ng/dl and I felt totally normal; good libido and pretty damn strong.

Here's a little something I dug up on this - can't remember where I got it tho:

Your seemingly simple question requires some complicated explaining and then the final conclusion is, "It Depends." You see, there are two types of testosterone floating around in a guy's bloodstream and three ways of measuring it. Bound testosterone is hitching a ride on a protein molecule, such as albumin or globulin and is inactive; that is, it could spring into action at any time -- but not right now. Free testosterone, on the other hand, is unattached and on the prowl. You've probably already guessed that there are far fewer of those free-spirited types than there are of the bound, a ratio of 5:95 or about 5% of total testosterone. But it's these few free 5% that drive the sex drive.

If a man (and an occasional woman) is concerned about a *really* sluggish sex drive he (or she) may request blood tests. However, a total testosterone level (bound and free combined) reading can be misleading. The bound and free levels need to be separated out to get the clearest picture of what is really going on. For even if the total levels of testosterone appear normal, or even high, if levels of free testosterone are below normal a quantifiable problem exists.

Then there is the matter of capturing those micro-critters--no easy task. The secretion of testosterone is regulated by LHRH secretions from the brain which in turn is affected by many factors. Testosterone levels can fluctuate dramatically (up to 100 ng/dl) in as little as fifteen minutes. Over the course of a day the levels can vary by as much as 50%. What this all boils down to is that a single blood test is unlikely to yield an accurate picture and that three drawings at fifteen to twenty minute intervals are called for. This is not a pleasant thought for the needle shy or faint-at-the sight-of-blood folks!

When you've gone through all that, you can finally get to some numbers. And these numbers are sometimes hard to decipher. The *normal* range for total testosterone is incredibly broad -- 250 to 1,200 nanograms (ng) per deciliter (dl). These numbers indicate whether there is adequate testosterone for normal sexual drive. If total level are in the "low normal" range, less than 400 ng/dl levels should be monitored. If levels are below normal, less than 250 ng/dl, your physician may recommend replacement therapy.

What about the free testosterone levels? Here comes the "It Depends." It depends on a man's age. The normal range of free testosterone is 1.0-5.0 ng/dl. However, a guy in his 20's may have levels around 41.0 pg/ml ( p grams/milliliter) while a gentleman in his 80's may have around 9.0 pg/ml -- and they would both be considered normal.

"Normal" and "not normal" can often be hard to define in any situation. Especially in the case of testosterone there are no simple answers.
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hope this helped,

DrG
 

MAXM

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That makes me feel a little more at ease! thanks!
 

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SWALE

Dr SWALE said (not a direct quote) that he doesn't think anyone should have to live under 500 ng/dl.
 

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Here I am (finally)!

The "normal' range is found statistically by putting brackets around 95% of men. Therefore it has absolutely NOTHING to do with health and happiness, as so many live with the symptoms of hypogonadism. Also, it is only the most severe cases where serum T level actually drops below "normal" (how I HATE that word!).

Real HRT docs recognize that men are healthiest and happiest in the upper quartile of tetosterone range. If your seum T comes in at even 500ng/dL, BUT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING THE SYMPTOMS OF HYPOGONADISM, then you are indeed qualified for TRT.

I can't tell you how many patients I have who came in at 450ng/dL. But once I got 'em tuned up, all of a sudden they are pleasing their wives again, hitting the ball 30 yards further, finding their moods to be stabilized, and going strong with their careers well into the evening.
 

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